mjzee Posted July 3, 2020 Report Share Posted July 3, 2020 I know we've discussed this topic previously, but couldn't find a dedicated thread. There have been Mosaic boxes reissued under "Capitol Vault Series" on both iTunes and Amazon, but I haven't seen new issues in awhile. I found some titles on Presto Jazz that I've never seen before; note that Presto also offers these as FLAC: Oscar Peterson Trio - The Complete Mercury/Clef Recordings Roy Eldridge - The Complete Verve Studio Sessions The Complete Anita O'Day Verve-Clef Sessions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medjuck Posted July 4, 2020 Report Share Posted July 4, 2020 I suggested to Scott that they should make the Benedetti Bird collection available on-line, but he replied that it would be difficult to clear the rights. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crisp Posted July 8, 2020 Report Share Posted July 8, 2020 Heven't seen this one before: Lou Donaldson Some of the Sony ones are on there (eg Earl Hines, Chu Berry), but as individual discs. Can't understand why Universal doesn't make the Nat Cole available digitally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonnymax Posted July 8, 2020 Report Share Posted July 8, 2020 All of these sets are available for streaming on Spotify, including the 18-disc Nat King Cole set. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted July 8, 2020 Report Share Posted July 8, 2020 I checked with Cuscuna and he was surprised. He checked with Universal and they said it is legit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marzz Posted July 8, 2020 Report Share Posted July 8, 2020 (edited) There's a few tracks from the Anita O'Day I don't have, so I thought the download might be a cheaper alternative. That complete set in flac from zdigital (Australian 7digital) is a mere $592! Naturally, at that price no digital booklet included https://www.zdigital.com.au/artist/anita-oday/release/the-complete-anita-oday-verve-clef-sessions-10659314?f=20%2C19%2C12%2C16%2C17%2C9%2C2 Edited July 8, 2020 by Marzz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djcavanagh Posted July 8, 2020 Report Share Posted July 8, 2020 12 hours ago, crisp said: Heven't seen this one before: Lou Donaldson Some of the Sony ones are on there (eg Earl Hines, Chu Berry), but as individual discs. Can't understand why Universal doesn't make the Nat Cole available digitally. The Cole is currently on sale on Qobuz (in the UK and France). Qobuz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crisp Posted July 8, 2020 Report Share Posted July 8, 2020 Thanks -- and interesting. It isn't clear what file format it's in, unfortunately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djcavanagh Posted July 8, 2020 Report Share Posted July 8, 2020 Qobuz offers lossless files so they will be cd quality. I think you can also download mp3 but you will be able to download flac or alac (or even wav) files. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin V Posted July 8, 2020 Report Share Posted July 8, 2020 As far as I can tell, the Gerry Mulligan Concert Jazz Band Mosaic is still available on Spotify but not for purchase as a download anymore. My library has a streaming service called Hoopla that has Verve and Capitol Vaults titles but not the Mulligan set. Weird. I only recently bought the set and one of the reasons I procrastinated was because of its availability as a download. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dub Modal Posted July 8, 2020 Report Share Posted July 8, 2020 9 minutes ago, Justin V said: As far as I can tell, the Gerry Mulligan Concert Jazz Band Mosaic is still available on Spotify but not for purchase as a download anymore. My library has a streaming service called Hoopla that has Verve and Capitol Vaults titles but not the Mulligan set. Weird. I only recently bought the set and one of the reasons I procrastinated was because of its availability as a download. I guess that doesn't happen often, where a release is removed from download and only offered via streaming? Is it a semi-regular occurrence on other streaming platforms other than Spotify? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjazzg Posted July 8, 2020 Report Share Posted July 8, 2020 Elvin Jones, Bobby Hutcherson, Hank Mobley and Andrew Hill all on Spotify in the UK. In addition to the above 'Capitol Jazz Vault' on Tidal for Bobby Hackett, Joe Pass, Don Pullen, Paul Chambers, Bob Brookmeyer, Bennie Green, John Patton, Dizzy Reece, Dexter Gordon, Krupa/Harry James Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJazz Posted July 10, 2020 Report Share Posted July 10, 2020 (edited) Does it bother anyone that this stuff is being released for streaming or available for lossless download purchase for so much less money? I think it's great that the music continues to be available, but it does make me at least think twice about the value of the box set purchase if the set is likely to be made generally available. Of course, there is the presentation, desire to support the cause, etc., but I'm sure some people buy the sets because some of the music is out of print and they are limited editions and then suddenly it's not so limited anymore. Edited July 10, 2020 by LJazz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted July 10, 2020 Report Share Posted July 10, 2020 Mosaic leases and the owner can do what they wish with the material, even I believe Mosaic's mastering. It doesn't really bother me, I get the Mosaic as that is what I would want and I'm glad the music is available for others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonnyhill Posted July 11, 2020 Report Share Posted July 11, 2020 On 7/8/2020 at 3:09 PM, Justin V said: As far as I can tell, the Gerry Mulligan Concert Jazz Band Mosaic is still available on Spotify but not for purchase as a download anymore. My library has a streaming service called Hoopla that has Verve and Capitol Vaults titles but not the Mulligan set. Weird. I only recently bought the set and one of the reasons I procrastinated was because of its availability as a download. I did not know about Hoopla. I checked it out today. Hoopla has a wealth of material available. All of the "Capitol Vault Series" (Mosaic and Mosaic Selects), the Clef/Verve Basie Mosaic,the Riverside Monk box, a lot of other box sets, and many new releases. I am not subscribed to a streaming service, but I am already paying for Hoopla through taxes so I might as well use it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crisp Posted July 11, 2020 Report Share Posted July 11, 2020 (edited) 23 hours ago, jazzbo said: Mosaic leases and the owner can do what they wish with the material, even I believe Mosaic's mastering. It doesn't really bother me, I get the Mosaic as that is what I would want and I'm glad the music is available for others. This ^^ I've been buying Mosaics for about twenty years. I reckon I have most of them. I missed out/passed on a few and I'm glad I can now get some of them at a lower price. The Mosaic model worked under the old system, I enjoyed these sets while I had them and I'm glad others can now access some of this music for less money ( I didn't buy them as an investment). The only issue would be if the absense of the old model of scarcity/rarity would mean that the Mosaic level of quality would dip or disappear; perhaps for material owned by the major labels it will, but I couldn't say -- or see -- why. OTOH streaming/downloads offers the potential for freeing up the archives as never before. I'm optimistic so I lean to the latter view. Edited July 11, 2020 by crisp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted July 11, 2020 Report Share Posted July 11, 2020 Jumping into "legality", one can copyright "compilations" and "masterings". I believe Mosaic is being robbed and do not believe it would help them to pursue the issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJazz Posted July 11, 2020 Report Share Posted July 11, 2020 43 minutes ago, crisp said: This ^^ I've been buying Mosaics for about twenty years. I reckon I have most of them. I missed out/passed on a few and I'm glad I can now get some of them at a lower price. The Mosaic model worked under the old system, I enjoyed these sets while I had them and I'm glad others can now access some of this music for less money ( I didn't buy them as an investment). I don't purchase Mosaics for investment either, although I admit that in the past I would have been more likely to pick something up I was just curious about figuring that if I didn't like it I could always resell it and get my money back. 22 minutes ago, Chuck Nessa said: I believe Mosaic is being robbed I agree. Aside from the lack of reimbursement for their efforts, I wonder how many fewer sets they sell as a result. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted July 12, 2020 Report Share Posted July 12, 2020 13 hours ago, LJazz said: ...I wonder how many fewer sets they sell as a result. Probably 0? These sets that are being offered are no longer available from Mosaic, they're long gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJazz Posted July 12, 2020 Report Share Posted July 12, 2020 1 hour ago, JSngry said: Probably 0? These sets that are being offered are no longer available from Mosaic, they're long gone. This is true. I was just wondering if some people might be put off thinking that the material is likely(?) to be made available down the road, if not available currently. For example, someone has put together a playlist on Spotify in track order of all of the 63-70 Mobley set, excluding the few alternate takes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crisp Posted July 13, 2020 Report Share Posted July 13, 2020 Good point LJazz, but there are still lots of Mosaic sets unavailable as download. I'm still buying the ones that come out just in case it's my only chance*. *Except the Mobley. I honestly couldn't see the point of that set and that Spotify playlist bears me out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidewinder Posted July 13, 2020 Report Share Posted July 13, 2020 1 hour ago, crisp said: Good point LJazz, but there are still lots of Mosaic sets unavailable as download. I'm still buying the ones that come out just in case it's my only chance*. *Except the Mobley. I honestly couldn't see the point of that set and that Spotify playlist bears me out. The Mobley is in better sound than any previous CD issue I’ve heard of the material. Malcolm Addey did his usual magic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crisp Posted July 15, 2020 Report Share Posted July 15, 2020 Fair enough. Addey is excellent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ornette Posted August 7, 2020 Report Share Posted August 7, 2020 Juno Download has some of the Capitol Vault series at a reasonable price in all formats. https://www.junodownload.com/search/?q%5Ball%5D%5B%5D=capitol+vault Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miles65 Posted August 7, 2020 Report Share Posted August 7, 2020 On 4-7-2020 at 2:09 AM, medjuck said: I suggested to Scott that they should make the Benedetti Bird collection available on-line, but he replied that it would be difficult to clear the rights. Strange because this was IIRC the only set they owned outright and would be available as long as Mosaic would excist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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