mjzee Posted June 30, 2020 Report Share Posted June 30, 2020 There's a new 3-CD box from Ace, stating that it is "John Lee Hooker's 1948-1952 recordings made in Detroit, Michigan by Bernard Besman; includes 19 previously unissued versions." I bought it because I've been intrigued by these sessions since I saw reissues on United Artists in the early '70's. Sad to say, Ace was a little loosy-goosy with their wording and promotion. The accompanying booklet reveals "These three CDs do not contain any sides that appeared in this form on either the United Artist or Greene Bottle releases." I remembered the Detroit recordings being reissued in a 1-LP, 2-LP, and 3-LP form, with no duplications. The 1-LP and 3-LP were issued by United Artists; the 2-LP was on Greene Bottle. This was the 1-LP on UA, "Anywhere, Anytime, Anyplace": This was the 3-LP on UA, "John Lee Hooker's Detroit": Both of these LP sets were reissued on this 3-CD set, "Alternative Boogie": The 2-LP set on Greene Bottle was titled "Johnny Lee"; best I can tell, it has never been issued on CD: So in order to have the complete Sensation recordings 1948-52, you'd need to have the Ace, "Alternative Boogie," and the Greene Bottle LP. Ace included a sessionography in their booklet, but only of the titles included in their box. No clue how the UA or Greene titles fit in there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nighthawk68 Posted June 30, 2020 Report Share Posted June 30, 2020 Nice summation of the history of these recordings. I was a bit disappointed in the set for the same reasons although quite happy with the sound quality. I wish the notes would have been more in-depth as well. Here's some more details that I wrote down as I plan on spotlighting the Sensation label on my radio program: Ace acquired a lot of John Lee Hooker sides when they purchased the Sensation label from Bernie Besman. This collection contains all of the Ace-owned Besman John Lee Hooker sides gathered in one place for the first time. Bernie had also sold some sides to United Artists and to Greene Bottle before then. Those previously sold sides showed up on a double LP on Green Bottle titled Johnny Lee in 1972. It was not the first "alternate" Besman issue; Specialty Records and United Artists had already come up with three LPs during 1970-71 (Alone and Goin' Down Highway 51 on Specialty and Coast To Coast Blues Band -Any Where Any Time Any Place on United Artists). In 1973 United Artists issued the three album set, John Lee Hooker's Detroit which which was issued on a 3-CD set in 1995 as Alternative Boogie: Early Studio Recordings 1948-1952 which included additional material. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjzee Posted June 30, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 30, 2020 Are the Specialty albums available anywhere else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nighthawk68 Posted July 1, 2020 Report Share Posted July 1, 2020 2 hours ago, mjzee said: Are the Specialty albums available anywhere else? You mean, have they been reissued or is the material elsewhere? I'm not sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjzee Posted July 1, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 1, 2020 Looking into this further, I found that there was a Japanese release on P-Vine in 1992 titled "Alone - The Specialty Sessions 1948-1954", which had all the titles on the two Specialty albums plus additional tracks: https://www.discogs.com/John-Lee-Hooker-Alone-The-Specialty-Sessions-1948-1954/release/13157729 To make sense of all this, I created a spreadsheet with all titles on the Ace, Alternative Boogie, Greene Bottle, and P-Vine releases, and sorted the titles alphabetically. Of the 38 titles on the P-Vine release, 12 titles are not available elsewhere. Perhaps the titles on P-Vine that I don't see elsewhere have different titles on another release. To take an obvious example, "Boogie Chillen 2 (I Gotta Be Comin' Back)" on P-Vine is almost definitely "I Gotta Be Comin' Back" on Alternative Boogie. The titles only on the P-Vine are "Don't Trust Nobody," "Everybody's Blues," "Four Women In My Life," "I Been Done So Wrong (Takes 1 and 2)," "I Do Like I Please," "I Need Love So Bad," "I'm Mad," "Locked Up In Jail," "Nothin' But Trouble," "Odds Against Me," and "Reach My Goal (Find Me A Woman)." None of the other Sensation titles are duplicated on other releases; each appears on only one of the four albums. The question remains: are there yet more titles that haven't been reissued? 21 Boogie P-Vine (Specialty) Alberta DTSR (Ace) Alberta P-Vine (Specialty) Alberta (Alt Take) DTSR (Ace) Alberta Part 2 DTSR (Ace) Alberta Pt. 2 P-Vine (Specialty) Baby Please Don't Go Alternative Boogie Baby, I Prove My Love To You Greene Bottle Black Cat Blues DTSR (Ace) Black Cat Blues P-Vine (Specialty) Bluebird Blues DTSR (Ace) Boogie Chillen 2 (I Gotta Be Comin' Back) P-Vine (Specialty) Boogie Chillen' DTSR (Ace) Boogie Chillen' #2 DTSR (Ace) Boogie Chillen' #2 (Aka 21 Boogie) (Extended Version) DTSR (Ace) Boogie Chillen' #2 (Take 1) DTSR (Ace) Boogie Chillen' #2 (Take 2) DTSR (Ace) Boogie Chillen' #2 (Take 4) DTSR (Ace) Build Myself A Cave P-Vine (Specialty) Build Myself A Cave (Aka The World Is In A Tangle) (Take #1) DTSR (Ace) Build Myself A Cave (Specialty LP Version) DTSR (Ace) Build Myself A Cave (Take #2) DTSR (Ace) Build Myself A Cave (Take #3) DTSR (Ace) Burnin' Hell DTSR (Ace) Burnin' Hell P-Vine (Specialty) Can I Say Hello Alternative Boogie Canal Street Blues DTSR (Ace) Canal Street Blues P-Vine (Specialty) Come Back Baby Alternative Boogie Crawlin' King Snake DTSR (Ace) Crazy 'Bout That Woman Greene Bottle Crying All Night Alternative Boogie Do My Baby Think Of Me P-Vine (Specialty) Do My Baby Think Of Me? DTSR (Ace) Don't Trust Nobody P-Vine (Specialty) Dream A Number Greene Bottle Drifting From Door To Door DTSR (Ace) Everybody's Blues P-Vine (Specialty) Forgive Me Alternative Boogie Four Women In My Life P-Vine (Specialty) Give Me Your Phone Number (Alt Take) DTSR (Ace) Goin' Down Highway 51 P-Vine (Specialty) Goin' On Highway #51 DTSR (Ace) Graveyard Blues DTSR (Ace) Graveyard Blues P-Vine (Specialty) Grinder Man DTSR (Ace) Grinder Man P-Vine (Specialty) Hastings Street Boogie P-Vine (Specialty) Hastings Street Boogie (Extended Version) DTSR (Ace) He Got Assassinated Greene Bottle Henry's Swing Club DTSR (Ace) Henry's Swing Club P-Vine (Specialty) Hobo Blues DTSR (Ace) Hoogie Boogie (Instrumental) DTSR (Ace) How Can You Do It DTSR (Ace) How Long Can This Go On Alternative Boogie Howlin' Wolf DTSR (Ace) Huckle Up Baby DTSR (Ace) Huckle Up Baby P-Vine (Specialty) Hummin' The Blues Alternative Boogie I Been Done So Wrong (Take 1) P-Vine (Specialty) I Been Done So Wrong (Take 2) P-Vine (Specialty) I Come To You Baby Alternative Boogie I Cried The Whole Night Greene Bottle I Did Everything Alternative Boogie I Do Like I Please P-Vine (Specialty) I Don't Be Welcome Here Alternative Boogie I Got Drunk (Take I) Greene Bottle I Got Drunk (Take II) Greene Bottle I Got Drunk (Take III) Greene Bottle I Got Eyes For You DTSR (Ace) I Got Eyes For You (Take 2 Or Take 5) DTSR (Ace) I Got The Key (Aka Key To The Highway) DTSR (Ace) I Gotta Be Comin' Back Alternative Boogie I Had A Dream Alternative Boogie I Met The Grindin' Man Alternative Boogie I Need Love So Bad P-Vine (Specialty) I Need Lovin' P-Vine (Specialty) I Need Lovin' (Aka Tease Me Over Baby) DTSR (Ace) I Rule My Den Alternative Boogie I Was Beggin' My Baby Alternative Boogie I Work For Her Every Day Greene Bottle I'm Going Away Alternative Boogie I'm Gonna Whip Ya Baby Alternative Boogie I'm In The Mood (Alt One Voice) DTSR (Ace) I'm In The Mood (Humming Version) DTSR (Ace) I'm In The Mood (Three Voice) DTSR (Ace) I'm In The Mood (With Harmonica Overdub) DTSR (Ace) I'm Mad P-Vine (Specialty) If You Need My Lovin' Baby Greene Bottle It Hurts Me So DTSR (Ace) It Hurts Me So (Alt Take) DTSR (Ace) It's A Crime And A Shame Alternative Boogie It's Time For Lovin' To Be Done DTSR (Ace) John L's House Rent Boogie (Aka House Rent Boogie) DTSR (Ace) John L's House Rent Boogie (Fragment) (Alt Incomplete Take) DTSR (Ace) Johnny Lee And The Thing Alternative Boogie Johnny Lee's Mood Alternative Boogie Johnny Lee's Original Boogie Alternative Boogie Johnny Says Come Back Alternative Boogie Jump Chillun Greene Bottle Just Like A Woman Alternative Boogie Key To The Highway DTSR (Ace) Let Your Daddy Ride DTSR (Ace) Locked Up In Jail P-Vine (Specialty) Long, Long Way From Home Alternative Boogie Lord Taketh My Baby Away Alternative Boogie Lord What More Can I Do Alternative Boogie Louisiana Blues For You Alternative Boogie Me And A Woman Alternative Boogie Miss Eloise, Miss Eloise Alternative Boogie Miss Sadie Mae DTSR (Ace) Miss Sadie Mae P-Vine (Specialty) Momma Poppa Boogie DTSR (Ace) Momma Poppa Boogie P-Vine (Specialty) Moon Is Rising Alternative Boogie Moon Is Rising (Alt Take) DTSR (Ace) Movin' On Down The Line Greene Bottle My Baby She's Long And Tall Alternative Boogie My Baby's Got Somethin' DTSR (Ace) My Baby's Got Somethin' P-Vine (Specialty) My Own Boogie Greene Bottle No Mortgage On My Soul Alternative Boogie No Place To Stay Greene Bottle Nobody To Talk To Me Alternative Boogie Nothin' But Trouble P-Vine (Specialty) Numbers Blues (Aka She Ain’t Good For Nothin’) DTSR (Ace) Odds Against Me P-Vine (Specialty) Out The Door I Went Alternative Boogie Please Have Mercy Greene Bottle Queen Bee DTSR (Ace) Reach My Goal (Find Me A Woman) P-Vine (Specialty) Rock Me Mama (Take I) Greene Bottle Rock Me Mama (Take II) Greene Bottle Rock Me Mama (Take III) Greene Bottle Roll 'N' Roll (Alt Take) DTSR (Ace) Rollin' Blues DTSR (Ace) Rollin' Blues P-Vine (Specialty) Sail On Little Girl DTSR (Ace) Sail On Little Girl P-Vine (Specialty) Sailing Blues P-Vine (Specialty) Sailing Blues (Aka Drifting Blues) DTSR (Ace) Sally Mae DTSR (Ace) See, See Baby Greene Bottle She Ain't Good For Nuthin' Greene Bottle She Left Be Myself Alternative Boogie She Quit Me Alternative Boogie She Was In Chicago Alternative Boogie Slow Down Your Chatter Baby Alternative Boogie Snap Them Fingers Boogie Alternative Boogie Someone To Love - Take 1 Alternative Boogie Someone To Love - Take 2 Alternative Boogie Sometime Alternative Boogie Streets Is Filled With Women Alternative Boogie Strike Blues P-Vine (Specialty) Strike Blues (Extended Version) DTSR (Ace) T.B's Killin' Me Alternative Boogie Tease Me Baby Greene Bottle Tease Me Baby (Aka Tease Me Over Baby) DTSR (Ace) Tell You A Story Greene Bottle That's All Right DTSR (Ace) That's All Right Boogie (Under Dub) DTSR (Ace) The Great Disaster Of 1936 Alternative Boogie The Moon Above Greene Bottle The Story Of A Married Woman Alternative Boogie The Story Of A Married Woman (Alt Take) DTSR (Ace) The Sweetest Girl I Know Greene Bottle The Winding Highway Alternative Boogie There's A Day Comin' Baby Alternative Boogie Three Long Years Today DTSR (Ace) Three Long Years Today P-Vine (Specialty) Three Voice Original Mood Alternative Boogie Throw My Money Around Alternative Boogie Throw This Old Dog A Bone Alternative Boogie Troubles In My Home Greene Bottle Turn Over A New Leaf DTSR (Ace) Turnin' Grey Blues Alternative Boogie Two Voice Original Mood Alternative Boogie Walkin' This Highway DTSR (Ace) Walkin' This Highway P-Vine (Specialty) War Is Over (Goodbye California) P-Vine (Specialty) War Is Over (Goodbye California) (Alt Extended Version) DTSR (Ace) War Is Over (Goodbye California) (Alt Take) DTSR (Ace) War Is Over (Goodbye California) (Extended Version) DTSR (Ace) We Might As Well Say We're Through Greene Bottle Wednesday Evening DTSR (Ace) Weeping Willow Boogie DTSR (Ace) Welfare Blues Alternative Boogie Well I Got To Leave Alternative Boogie Whistle Done Blown Alternative Boogie Women In My Life (Aka Goin' Away Baby) DTSR (Ace) You Sure Look Good To Me Greene Bottle You've Got Another Man Greene Bottle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nighthawk68 Posted July 1, 2020 Report Share Posted July 1, 2020 (edited) Impressive work! I don't really have anything to add to this. One of the many confusing things about Hooker's early discography is that it seems the titles are sometimes named different for the same songs depending on the the release. For my upcoming radio show I digitized the Green Bottle LP. I threw it up on Dropbox if anyone's interested: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/oz530zex4bk66t8/AAB59QrqE5jZjtZMdtDTJjnaa?dl=0 There is also a very detailed Hooker discography online that was last updated in 2019: http://www.angelfire.com/mn/coasters/HookerSessionDiscography.pdf Edited July 1, 2020 by nighthawk68 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John L Posted July 1, 2020 Report Share Posted July 1, 2020 (edited) ,This is a very good release. it has better sound quality than any previous releases of this music, and contains a dozen or so tracks that have never been released before in any form, and are not included in existing discographies. I highly recommend this set. I agree that it is unfortunate that they left off the Besman alternate sides previously released on Greene Bottle and United (Capitol),. All of these sides did appear on CD in the 12-CD French release of all the (then known) Detroit John Lee Hooker sides on Body and Soul records. The Body & Soul set also includes recordings from the time that were released on other labels like King, Gotham, Chance, and Savoy. This new set plus the Body & Soul discs plus "The Unknown John Lee Hooker" on Flyright will give you all the known early John Lee Hooker except maybe a few tracks (see below). For the tracks released on Specialty listed above that don't appear on Ace, Greene Bottle, or United (Capitol), I don't believe that Ace deliberately excluded Specialty-released tracks from the new set. Most of the tracks listed above that are only on the P-Vine release date from 1954, and were not even recorded by Besman. The new set only goes up to May, 1952. That said, the omission of Reach My Goal from the new set would seem to be a mistake. It was recorded in 1951 and has been included on a previous Ace CD. All of these tracks issued on P-Vine would appear to be on the Body & Soul set except for (curiously) the second take of I Been Done So Wrong. Edited July 1, 2020 by John L Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John L Posted July 2, 2020 Report Share Posted July 2, 2020 Actually, I just noticed that the new set is even less complete than I thought it was. Quite a few Modern tracks recorded for Besman that belong to Ace (i.e. not on Greene Bottle or UA) are not here. In some cases, they substituted alternates for the masters, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John L Posted July 4, 2020 Report Share Posted July 4, 2020 I just communicated with someone who was involved in producing this set. He says that quite a lot of material was sold to United Artists, including some of the masters . He verified that this set plus the Greene Bottle and UA releases include all of the recordings made for Besman. Of course, there were a lot of recordings from the time, as well as after 1952, that were not made for Besman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenLowe Posted July 4, 2020 Report Share Posted July 4, 2020 so where does the stuff issued on Savoy originate? I love that period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John L Posted July 4, 2020 Report Share Posted July 4, 2020 (edited) 11 hours ago, AllenLowe said: so where does the stuff issued on Savoy originate? I love that period. Allen - Almost all of the tracks released on Savoy were recorded by Elmer Barbee, who was Hooker's first manager, and began recording him even before Besman. The best come from a very early session in November, 1948 (Grievin' Blues, Shady Grove Blues, Landing Blues, Goin' Mad Blues...). Barbee made some other great recordings at the time in the same vein that he sold to King records - some of Hooker's best (IMO). There is also a very good down home 1961 session with a band released on Savoy called Sad and Lonesome. John Edited July 4, 2020 by John L Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenLowe Posted July 5, 2020 Report Share Posted July 5, 2020 thanks, yeah, Grievin' Blues is the deepest stuff I've ever heard. Beware the original Savoy CD reissue where they really botched the sound - I found a Euro version in which they didn't go crazy on denoising. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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