mikeweil Posted August 9, 2020 Report Share Posted August 9, 2020 (edited) On 3.8.2020 at 11:26 PM, mikeweil said: https://www.chalkys.com/products/thelonious-monk-palo-alto-cd-released-on-31-07-2020?_pos=1&_sid=ae104cc0a&_ss=r Using that link displays the CD as if nothing had happened .... p.s. now it leads to an error page. Edited September 17, 2020 by mikeweil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcam_44 Posted August 9, 2020 Report Share Posted August 9, 2020 Does it skate under EU copyright laws? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidewinder Posted August 9, 2020 Report Share Posted August 9, 2020 2 hours ago, mikeweil said: Using that link displays the CD as if nothing had happened .... Any place that calls itself ‘Chalkys’ raises my early warning alarm immediately ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Justin V Posted August 9, 2020 Report Share Posted August 9, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, jcam_44 said: Does it skate under EU copyright laws? I think that things enter public domain in the EU after a certain period of time has passed since the release date, not the recording date. What irritates me about this situation is that we've seen archival Monk releases in recent years that have been released without a hitch. The Carnegie Hall date with Monk came out on Blue Note after Concord had acquired Fantasy (and thus Riverside). The Olympia date came out on Hyena and Monk was under contract with Columbia at the time it was recorded, like the Palo Alto date. Edited August 9, 2020 by Justin V Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeweil Posted August 9, 2020 Report Share Posted August 9, 2020 2 hours ago, Justin V said: What irritates me about this situation is that we've seen archival Monk releases in recent years that have been released without a hitch. The Carnegie Hall date with Monk came out on Blue Note after Concord had acquired Fantasy (and thus Riverside). The Olympia date came out on Hyena and Monk was under contract with Columbia at the time it was recorded, like the Palo Alto date. My thoughts exactly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Posted August 9, 2020 Report Share Posted August 9, 2020 2 hours ago, Justin V said: I think that things enter public domain in the EU after a certain period of time has passed since the release date, not the recording date. What irritates me about this situation is that we've seen archival Monk releases in recent years that have been released without a hitch. The Carnegie Hall date with Monk came out on Blue Note after Concord had acquired Fantasy (and thus Riverside). The Olympia date came out on Hyena and Monk was under contract with Columbia at the time it was recorded, like the Palo Alto date. Perhaps there are contractual issues to which we are not privy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Bresnahan Posted August 9, 2020 Report Share Posted August 9, 2020 I wouldn't worry too much. I'm sure that Jordi will put it out soon. Andorran copyright is still only 25 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin V Posted August 14, 2020 Report Share Posted August 14, 2020 Well, my order fell through as well. I received this message: "We have been hoping that this disc would become available again soon. Unfortunately, the record label has just advised us that it has been deleted from their catalogue, and they have no current plans to remanufacture." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Posted August 14, 2020 Report Share Posted August 14, 2020 3 hours ago, Justin V said: Well, my order fell through as well. I received this message: "We have been hoping that this disc would become available again soon. Unfortunately, the record label has just advised us that it has been deleted from their catalogue, and they have no current plans to remanufacture." That’s even worse news than before. The likelihood of this ever seeing the light of day is slim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted August 14, 2020 Report Share Posted August 14, 2020 It's out there though, and as others have mentioned above there will be those who will find a way to manufacture and distribute this, and no doubt there are those who will distribute it on shared zones. But I hope that a deal will be worked out for an official release. It seems likely--there's already inventory. Someone will make a deal for ready-made product that can be sold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghost of miles Posted August 21, 2020 Report Share Posted August 21, 2020 From Nate Chinen and Greg Bryant's WBGO United podcast--they talk about the Palo Alto date (though they can't and don't play any music from the canceled release) and Monk in general: Thelonious Monk: Lost And Found Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted August 22, 2020 Report Share Posted August 22, 2020 2 hours ago, ghost of miles said: From Nate Chinen and Greg Bryant's WBGO United podcast--they talk about the Palo Alto date (though they can't and don't play any music from the canceled release) and Monk in general: Thelonious Monk: Lost And Found Which one is Shorty Petterstein? It's embarrassing (or should be) that they front and back announce "Blue Monk" and then play "Epistrophy". fwiw, as expected, the end-around digital realm is waiting for no one on this Palo Alto thing. Money is being lost, probably by people who don't care. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrianB Posted August 26, 2020 Report Share Posted August 26, 2020 Any updates on this album? Or are we going to assume it's lost and gone forever -- or at least for the immediate future? I'm really bummed about this --- the two tracks I had were great! I've been tempted to see if someone that got ahold of it uploaded it online but I'd rather wait and pay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejp626 Posted August 27, 2020 Report Share Posted August 27, 2020 I don't think it is necessarily an either/or option. I'm leaving my Amazon.ca order in place, just in case Canada gets the release before the States. But that doesn't mean I'm not poking around a bit on the interwebs... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted August 27, 2020 Report Share Posted August 27, 2020 As of this moment amazon UK have copies to order. . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejp626 Posted August 27, 2020 Report Share Posted August 27, 2020 Just now, jazzbo said: As of this moment amazon UK have copies to order. . . . I will be quite surprised if this is actually fulfilled (anytime soon), but if anyone succeeds going this route, please let us know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted August 27, 2020 Report Share Posted August 27, 2020 (edited) On another board at least one US member received one this week fron a UK Amazon marketplace seller. And this item is noted "In Stock" which it was not when I looked Tuesday. Edited August 27, 2020 by jazzbo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejp626 Posted August 27, 2020 Report Share Posted August 27, 2020 22 minutes ago, jazzbo said: And this item is noted "In Stock" which it was not when I looked Tuesday. I see that as well, but I am just not sure it actually means what it is supposed to mean. I'll let someone else take the plunge... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted August 27, 2020 Report Share Posted August 27, 2020 A few rabbits appear to have found their way to the wild, and their digital bunnies are multiplying. Find your neighborhood Farmer McGregor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted August 27, 2020 Report Share Posted August 27, 2020 I'm not a digital file hunter and gatherer so I welcomed another shot at a silver plated disc version. 27 minutes ago, ejp626 said: I see that as well, but I am just not sure it actually means what it is supposed to mean. I'll let someone else take the plunge... Only rarely has this NOT been the case in my experience with any amazon, and especially I've found it fruitful to order when there is a change from not listed to "In Stock." I took the plunge. There is nothing lost in the venture if it does not ship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Bresnahan Posted August 27, 2020 Report Share Posted August 27, 2020 1 hour ago, jazzbo said: I'm not a digital file hunter and gatherer so I welcomed another shot at a silver plated disc version. Only rarely has this NOT been the case in my experience with any amazon, and especially I've found it fruitful to order when there is a change from not listed to "In Stock." I took the plunge. There is nothing lost in the venture if it does not ship. I ordered one too. We'll see if this one "ships" as in really ships and not just give me a shipping notice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjazzg Posted August 27, 2020 Report Share Posted August 27, 2020 I've ordered. Delivery by 9.00 pm tomorrow - we'll see Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kh1958 Posted August 27, 2020 Report Share Posted August 27, 2020 I also ordered from the Amazon UK site. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjazzg Posted August 27, 2020 Report Share Posted August 27, 2020 Just received a dispatch notice for my Amazon order from earlier this evening...promising Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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