BrianB Posted July 21, 2020 Report Share Posted July 21, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, mikeweil said: Same here, I pre-ordered. Me too via Apple - and they released two tracks as a preview but those have been recalled in various places. Maybe they aren’t releasing it digitally? edit: found this on the order page that says “PLEASE NOTE: DIGITAL DOWNLOADS ARE NOT AVAILABLE TO CUSTOMERS OUTSIDE THE U.S.” https://shop.theloniousmonkmusic.com/products/palo-alto-digital-album?variant=34655700713623 Edited July 21, 2020 by BrianB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gould Posted July 24, 2020 Report Share Posted July 24, 2020 Well new delivery date per Amazon email is January 5 2021. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted July 24, 2020 Report Share Posted July 24, 2020 yep: New estimated delivery date: Tuesday, January 5, 2021 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Bresnahan Posted July 24, 2020 Report Share Posted July 24, 2020 2 hours ago, Dan Gould said: Well new delivery date per Amazon email is January 5 2021. Is that for the LP version or both the LP & CD? If it's the LP version, I wonder if this is being affected by the the fire that destroyed the Apollo Masters factory? The Apollo Masters factory was the largest supplier of blank lacquer discs in the world. They were one of only two worldwide LP lacquer plants, the other being MDC, a smaller-scale factory in Japan that has always been booked solid. There is no way they could handle the overflow from that Apollo plant. Now, the LP industry has to wait until someone steps up a fills that void, wait for an opening at MDC or switch over to DMM LP masters, which does not seem to be the preferred way to produce LPs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gould Posted July 24, 2020 Report Share Posted July 24, 2020 4 minutes ago, bresna said: Is that for the LP version or both the LP & CD? If it's the LP version, I wonder if this is being affected by the the fire that destroyed the Apollo Masters factory? The Apollo Masters factory was the largest supplier of blank lacquer discs in the world. They were one of only two worldwide LP lacquer plants, the other being MDC, a smaller-scale factory in Japan that has always been booked solid. There is no way they could handle the overflow from that Apollo plant. Now, the LP industry has to wait until someone steps up a fills that void, wait for an opening at MDC or switch over to DMM LP masters, which does not seem to be the preferred way to produce LPs. I only ordered CD. I am guessing just a release date delay though why I have no idea unless pressing plants are not operational in the current situation. They really pushed it back which is disappointing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrianB Posted July 24, 2020 Report Share Posted July 24, 2020 Yeah this is why I originally was wondering what was going on with it and vanished from Apple Music & the iTunes Store. This is only pure speculation on my part but I’m wondering if the custodian who was unknown that recorded this surfaced or at least someone claiming to be him and so they have to work out some sort of legal issues around that before releasing to the public. Even with pushing the date back for release it seemed even stranger that they would pull the first two songs released from the album as well which I already paid for and downloaded. They vanished from my downloads on my devices Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejp626 Posted July 24, 2020 Report Share Posted July 24, 2020 That's very disappointing and yes it does seem to indicate there is some legal issue. I was going to pre-order, but I'll hold off for a while now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjzee Posted July 24, 2020 Report Share Posted July 24, 2020 4 minutes ago, BrianB said: Even with pushing the date back for release it seemed even stranger that they would pull the first two songs released from the album as well which I already paid for and downloaded. They vanished from my downloads on my devices That's pretty scary, isn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted July 24, 2020 Report Share Posted July 24, 2020 Burn baby, burn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kh1958 Posted July 24, 2020 Report Share Posted July 24, 2020 After waiting 52 years, does a few more months matter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gould Posted July 24, 2020 Report Share Posted July 24, 2020 3 minutes ago, kh1958 said: After waiting 52 years, does a few more months matter? It will, if it never sees the light of day in the end. Remember, its over two years now since the Arnett Cobb/Don Wilkerson recording made the news. Is that out yet? Nope. And the contact I had at the Houston paper has stopped updating me - there may be a hope for it to come out on Resonance or the Zev/Cory Weeds label but it appears the family was not ready to follow thru with the release. And in fact I just discovered that the single they issued as a download is gone from Amazon. So until its out, there's no guarantee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeweil Posted July 25, 2020 Report Share Posted July 25, 2020 The Monk family probably is not the cause for the delay, as Monk jr. was full of praise for the find. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted July 25, 2020 Report Share Posted July 25, 2020 So far the Japanese SHM-CD has not changed its delivery date. . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrianB Posted July 25, 2020 Report Share Posted July 25, 2020 22 hours ago, mjzee said: That's pretty scary, isn't it? Yes, very. I have Apple Music which is pretty much renting music but I also purchase albums I want to own. It’s the equivalent of Apple sneaking into my house and stealing a CD a single and hoping I don’t notice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted July 25, 2020 Report Share Posted July 25, 2020 God, I hope it's not some pettyass legal bullshit. But if they're pulling/snatching downloads....what's wrong with the world today? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlhoots Posted July 25, 2020 Report Share Posted July 25, 2020 Amazon now says release date has not been set. Wonder what that means. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted July 25, 2020 Report Share Posted July 25, 2020 I've hope that this is a US problem of some kind and the Japanese release goes through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Stryker Posted July 26, 2020 Report Share Posted July 26, 2020 Andrew Gilbert is reporting on Twitter: “Universal Music announced last night that ‘Palo Alto,’ the album documenting the 1968 Paly High performance by Thelonious Monk's quartet, has been postponed, with no new release date...I'll post more when I get details.” Confirms what others have noted in real time on this thread, though this suggests some sort of official announcement was made — tho I could be reading that incorrectly and the “announcement” was simply what folks noticed on Amazon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted July 26, 2020 Report Share Posted July 26, 2020 Interestingly cdjapan still shows the release date this Friday. I'm certain that could possibly change, but hopeful that perhaps it's a delay for the American market and not the Japanese. . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrianB Posted July 26, 2020 Report Share Posted July 26, 2020 22 minutes ago, Mark Stryker said: Andrew Gilbert is reporting on Twitter: “Universal Music announced last night that ‘Palo Alto,’ the album documenting the 1968 Paly High performance by Thelonious Monk's quartet, has been postponed, with no new release date...I'll post more when I get details.” Confirms what others have noted in real time on this thread, though this suggests some sort of official announcement was made — tho I could be reading that incorrectly and the “announcement” was simply what folks noticed on Amazon. See, I knew I wasn’t crazy when the downloads disappeared from my account and I couldn’t search for the album anymore. I don’t know what’s going on but it would be nice if they could be a little bit more transparent about it. We’re at the very least that due to whatever issues the date is being pushed back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejp626 Posted July 27, 2020 Report Share Posted July 27, 2020 I was hoping this was US issue only, and, as late as this morning, Canada's version of Amazon still said the release date was 7/31. But then I put in the order a couple of hours ago, and the release date had changed to unknown. I decided I would leave it in the order to qualify for free shipping on some other items, but this doesn't bode well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gould Posted July 27, 2020 Report Share Posted July 27, 2020 So where's your money? Is it the custodian making legal claims or how about the high school? Does a venue have rights that must be cleared especially if it was recorded using their equipment? Either way it will suck if this disappears permanently but it's not like we don't have a ton of live recordings from this band. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted July 27, 2020 Report Share Posted July 27, 2020 Now the cdjapan date is September 4. Hmmm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niko Posted July 27, 2020 Report Share Posted July 27, 2020 my best guess is that Monk was still under contract with Columbia and they are now making trouble... Kelley's book mentions that some type of clearance from Columbia was necessary for the 1970 Japanese live recordings... so that would certainly apply here as well ... of course,it's also not hard to figure that out ... so ideally Universal would have settled this early on when preparing this release... btw, don't know if this has been posted before, there's this website which collects promo material https://www.uk-promotion.de/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/ including many pictures for the Monk release and also Robin Kelley's nice liner note essay... https://www.uk-promotion.de/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/Robin-Kelly-Monk-Palo-Alto-Liner-Notes-Final.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gould Posted July 27, 2020 Report Share Posted July 27, 2020 28 minutes ago, Niko said: my best guess is that Monk was still under contract with Columbia and they are now making trouble... Kelley's book mentions that some type of clearance from Columbia was necessary for the 1970 Japanese live recordings... so that would certainly apply here as well ... of course,it's also not hard to figure that out ... so ideally Universal would have settled this early on when preparing this release... btw, don't know if this has been posted before, there's this website which collects promo material https://www.uk-promotion.de/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/ including many pictures for the Monk release and also Robin Kelley's nice liner note essay... https://www.uk-promotion.de/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/Robin-Kelly-Monk-Palo-Alto-Liner-Notes-Final.pdf I didn't think about Columbia because you would expect that their first move was to inquire about whether he was under contract still. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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