JSngry Posted June 2, 2020 Report Posted June 2, 2020 On 6/2/2020 at 11:27 PM, felser said: At least it's above the Mendoza Line (and do I ever miss baseball). Expand Yes, let us aspire to a non-statistically shameful level of mediocrity in all things! As for missing baseball, the Rangers are still undefeated and the Astros have yet to win a game. What's to miss? Quote
catesta Posted June 2, 2020 Report Posted June 2, 2020 On 6/2/2020 at 11:13 PM, Brad said: Thanks for that but anything he says must be taken with several grains of salt as truth telling is, shall we say, not one of his strong suits. Expand So, in the end, it doesn't really matter what he said. Quote
JSngry Posted June 2, 2020 Report Posted June 2, 2020 On 6/2/2020 at 11:28 PM, catesta said: It was an ATM in a residential area and one of the dudes blew himself up in the process. What if an innocent person got caught up in that? Shit is pretty blatant these days. Expand Wait, are you conflating the need for strong and efficient law enforcement with the complete irrelevance of who provides it? I mean, ok, if my girlfriend is lousy in bed, does that justify me getting it on with my sister? Immediate needs supersedes means of fulfillment? Kinda not okay, right? Even in private, but especially in public? Maybe I should get a better girlfriend, or at least deal with the one I have to see what's not going right and try to fix it? But MY SISTER? EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! For that matter...POP QUIZ! True Or False? - People gonna die because of the Coco, and that's just life, life is tough and innocent people die through unfair menas. Yet life goes on. Too bad about that, but life goes on, can't disrupt the basics structures of society just to keep that from happening. Quote
ghost of miles Posted June 3, 2020 Report Posted June 3, 2020 (edited) On 6/2/2020 at 11:35 PM, catesta said: So, in the end, it doesn't really matter what he said. Expand Dude spoke or tweeted 16,241 false or misleading claims in his first three years in office. Whatever the veracity of his tweet about NYC, he’s a serial liar, and the worst possible person to have “in charge” right now. If he deploys the military to my hometown (about an hour’s drive from where I live) I’ll be taking to the streets there myself. Seriously. I’ve had it with this march-to-fascism bullshit. On 6/2/2020 at 10:31 PM, Brad said: Point out to me please where he’s made that distinction. The article I posted indicated that helicopters were used against citizens who were not looting or stealing. In addition, I don’t want the US military used against crimes such as larceny. That is the jurisdiction of local authorities. When the US military gets involved in that kind of police activity, it’s a very small step to a military takeover. Of all the people on the forum, I’m probably one of the few who have seen dictatorships firsthand. I lived in Brasil in 1964 when the military overthrew the popularly elected government of Joao Goulart and unleashed a reign of terror. I also lived in Spain during the reign of Franco and saw how they operated. Lastly, I was a masters candidate in Latin American Studies when Allende was overthrown. Those memories are seared into my being and I think we’re headed down that road. Expand Thank you for this invaluable perspective. I naively never expected to see this kind of thing come down in modern-day America. Edited June 3, 2020 by ghost of miles Quote
aparxa Posted June 3, 2020 Report Posted June 3, 2020 The last tweet was long-awaited: "Our goal is not the victory of might, but the vindication of right; not peace at the expense of freedom, but both peace and freedom, here in this hemisphere, and, we hope, around the world. " Quote
Brad Posted June 3, 2020 Report Posted June 3, 2020 On 6/3/2020 at 12:11 AM, ghost of miles said: Thank you for this invaluable perspective. I naively never expected to see this kind of thing come down in modern-day America. Expand Neither did I. This photo is very depressing. I participated in several Vietnam marches between 1969-71 and can’t recall ever seeing anything like this. Quote
ghost of miles Posted June 3, 2020 Report Posted June 3, 2020 (edited) Here’s something better: Tense North Carolina protest turns emotional as police kneel before demonstrators Edited June 3, 2020 by ghost of miles Quote
Dub Modal Posted June 3, 2020 Report Posted June 3, 2020 On 6/2/2020 at 11:28 PM, catesta said: It was an ATM in a residential area and one of the dudes blew himself up in the process. What if an innocent person got caught up in that? Shit is pretty blatant these days. Expand Military response is still totally unnecessary. Quote
JSngry Posted June 3, 2020 Report Posted June 3, 2020 On 6/3/2020 at 12:54 AM, aparxa said: The last tweet was long-awaited: "Our goal is not the victory of might, but the vindication of right; not peace at the expense of freedom, but both peace and freedom, here in this hemisphere, and, we hope, around the world. " Expand Ask not what you can do to your country. Ask what your country will do to you. Quote
GA Russell Posted June 3, 2020 Report Posted June 3, 2020 On 6/2/2020 at 8:59 PM, Dub Modal said: So far the US AG Bill Barr, Sec of Defense Esper, FL representative Gaetz, and AR Senator Cotton have all echoed the president's call to utilize the military against protesting citizens. Expand On 6/2/2020 at 10:07 PM, GA Russell said: This is not correct. Protesting is legal in the US. The President is suggesting the use of the Army against criminals. A few minutes ago, a group in Philadelphia used explosives to blow up an ATM in an attempt to get at its money. That is not protesting. That is is criminal activity. Expand On 6/2/2020 at 10:51 PM, JSngry said: American criminals are not American citizens? Do tell! Expand Jim, I tried to bold Dub's "protesting," but it didn't take. I do not believe anyone is calling for military force against law-abiding protesters. The issue is what to do about those people who are engaged in criminal activity. It is my view, and I can see on Twitter that I am not alone, that those starting fires and throwing bricks are doing so for reasons not related to George Floyd. Quote
GA Russell Posted June 3, 2020 Report Posted June 3, 2020 On 6/2/2020 at 11:18 PM, JSngry said: Which posts are those? I'm the only moderator on right now and I've deleted nothing. Here's one that's still here. Here's another. and a third. one more. and this. Accusations of thread-tampering are very serious and are not taken lightly (it's not a crime, but..) Please advise if your claim of your posts being deleted by anybody other than yourself are accurate. Expand Jim, apparently you and I were posting at the same time. Two of my posts went missing. But when I posted about that, they reappeared! So I immediately deleted that post. It's all good for me. By the way, the first was the post in which I quoted Dub referring to protesting citizens. The other was my next post. Quote
JSngry Posted June 3, 2020 Report Posted June 3, 2020 On 6/3/2020 at 2:12 AM, GA Russell said: It is my view, and I can see on Twitter that I am not alone, that those starting fires and throwing bricks are doing so for reasons not related to George Floyd. Expand Forgive me, but... DUH! I mean, who in their right mind is equating or otherwise grouping "the protesters" with "the criminals"...who needs to sort this out to begin with? This is a complication of perception, not of reality. Quote
GA Russell Posted June 3, 2020 Report Posted June 3, 2020 On 6/3/2020 at 1:34 AM, Dub Modal said: Military response is still totally unnecessary. Expand I am not a law enforcement expert. What do you want the city/state or federal governments to do? Quote
JSngry Posted June 3, 2020 Report Posted June 3, 2020 On 6/3/2020 at 2:26 AM, GA Russell said: What do you want the city/state or federal governments to do? Expand Their jobs. We got rules about how this shit works. Not just rules, but laws, bygod actual laws, with precedents and policies and procedures and all that good shit. You may not be a criminal if you thing that the rules don't apply to you, but you sure as hell are a criminal - by definition - if you think that the laws don't and proceed to act accordingly. I don't care if you're some self-thinning herd member or the president of the united states, and i don't care what you use to justify your actions if you don't obey the law, you are a criminal. To what extent, that's for the courts to figure out. not the individual. This is not complicated. Really it's not. Quote
GA Russell Posted June 3, 2020 Report Posted June 3, 2020 On 6/3/2020 at 2:26 AM, JSngry said: Forgive me, but... DUH! I mean, who in their right mind is equating or otherwise grouping "the protesters" with "the criminals"...who needs to sort this out to begin with? This is a complication of perception, not of reality. Expand I gather that the talking heads of CNN and MSNBC are. On 6/3/2020 at 2:39 AM, JSngry said: Their jobs. Expand Right. But apparently in some states they are not. So should the federal govt do nothing? I was surprised to learn yesterday that the stores looted and destroyed are not covered by insurance. The typical policy exempts acts of God and riots. Quote
jazzbo Posted June 3, 2020 Report Posted June 3, 2020 On 6/3/2020 at 3:07 AM, GA Russell said: I gather that the talking heads of CNN and MSNBC are. Expand Not. They are clearly delineating protestors and looters. Quote
GA Russell Posted June 3, 2020 Report Posted June 3, 2020 Anderson Cooper, 6/01: “The president seems to think dominating Black people, dominating peaceful protesters, is law and order. It’s not.” Quote
lipi Posted June 3, 2020 Report Posted June 3, 2020 On 6/3/2020 at 4:39 AM, GA Russell said: Anderson Cooper, 6/01: “The president seems to think dominating Black people, dominating peaceful protesters, is law and order. It’s not.” Expand Anderson Cooper is correct. You should really stop drinking the orange clown's Kool-Aid. Also, I would have thought you'd be in favour of looting. Imagine what great deals you can find for your bargain audio thread! Quote
porcy62 Posted June 3, 2020 Report Posted June 3, 2020 Was the Army deployed in the streets in previous troubles, Watts, Rodney King, ecc.? I am just asking. Quote
felser Posted June 3, 2020 Report Posted June 3, 2020 On 6/3/2020 at 9:18 AM, porcy62 said: Was the Army deployed in the streets in previous troubles, Watts, Rodney King, ecc.? I am just asking. Expand 1992 Riots after Rodney King verdict Arson, violence and looting broke out across Los Angeles following the not-guilty verdicts in all but one assault charge in the video-taped police beating of Rodney King. During the violence, 2,000 reserve soldiers were activated. During six days of rioting, more than 60 people were killed and more than 2,000 people were injured. Quote
JSngry Posted June 3, 2020 Report Posted June 3, 2020 On 6/3/2020 at 11:26 AM, felser said: 1992 Riots after Rodney King verdict Arson, violence and looting broke out across Los Angeles following the not-guilty verdicts in all but one assault charge in the video-taped police beating of Rodney King. During the violence, 2,000 reserve soldiers were activated. During six days of rioting, more than 60 people were killed and more than 2,000 people were injured. Expand Americans really need to do some boning up on both The Insurrection Act of 1807 and Posse Comitatus Act of 1878. These are the laws in play here. Citizens need to be aware of both the language of these laws as well as their application over the years. Do your own research, get facts, not opinion-reinforcing blabberchatter. We The People need to have a clear (and clear-headed) understanding of the irrevocable principles of these laws as well as their fur-lined fuzzy grey areas. There are laws about this shit, ok? Quote
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