Miles and "Maria"

[medjuck]

I'm listening to a live Miles set from July 13, 1957 and while playing Bye Bye Blackbird he quotes from Leonard Bernstein's "Maria" not just once but twice. What's strange is that West Side Story hadn't even begun it's out of town try-outs by then.  Did Miles hear it early because of Frances' being in the original cast? Did she bring some music home? Did he attend early rehearsals? 

[CJ Shearn]

Is this one of the Cafe Bohemia sets that make up disc 4 of the Prestige Legendary Quintet set? I have not played disc 4 in years but recall the "Maria" quote there and I was very surprised

Edited April 18, 2020 by CJ Shearn

[medjuck]

I think so. 

[bertrand]

15 hours ago, CJ Shearn said:

Is this one of the Cafe Bohemia sets that make up disc 4 of the Prestige Legendary Quintet set? I have not played disc 4 in years but recall the "Maria" quote there and I was very surprised

I totally missed this box. What's in it?

[mjzee]

40 minutes ago, bertrand said:

I totally missed this box. What's in it?

It's not on this box: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Legendary_Prestige_Quintet_Sessions

It appears on disc 12 of this: https://www.amazon.com/Miles-Davis-Recordings-1948-1957-Featuring/dp/B005HPQ7KK

[medjuck]

I thought wrong. It's not on the Prestige box but I have it on at least 3 different single cds. "The Unissued Cafe Bohemia Broadcast", "Rare Unreleased Broadcasts" and "The Legendary Masters Unissued or Rare." 

[CJ Shearn]

3 hours ago, bertrand said:

I totally missed this box. What's in it?

The New Miles Davis Quintet, Cookin, Steamin', Workin', Relaxin' plus a 4th disc of previously bootlegged live recordings.  Concord first released it as a longbox in 2006 but it has been since released in a tradition cube and vinyl.

2 hours ago, mjzee said:

It's not on this box: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Legendary_Prestige_Quintet_Sessions

It appears on disc 12 of this: https://www.amazon.com/Miles-Davis-Recordings-1948-1957-Featuring/dp/B005HPQ7KK

He also quotes "Maria" on the Legendary Quintet Sessions box

[bertrand]

I remembered I have a bootleg vinyl called Miles Tones on Jazz Bird (Jaz-2005) with two versions of Blackbird, allegedly both from Cafe Bohemia.

1) 5/17/58 with Coltrane and Bill Evans. This one indeed has two Maria quotes.

2) 7/13/57 with Rollins (incomplete) - I don't hear a Maria quote.

Now the dates could be wrong, it's a boot. Or there could be other takes of the tune on that day.

I will check out the Losin site later, but right now it seems that all we know is that by 5/17/58, Miles had heard the piece. We also need a more specific timeline on West Side Story.

This kind of reminds me of the discussion of Blakey's Golden Boy bring from the 1963 or 1964. If it was 1963, it means Blakey had early access to the music, which is plausible. In an interview, Wayne says Golden Boy preceded The Body and the Soul, which would place it in 1963.

PS: This bootleg may well have the dates mixed up. That is clearly Coltrane, not Rollins, on a version of Four allegedly from 7/13/57.

[medjuck]

The dates were wrong on the cd to which I was listening.  The correct date is from 1958 which explains everything. 

Edited April 19, 2020 by medjuck

[JSngry]

My LP is on Chakra. It's all boris Rose material, and I'm pretty sure that Chakra ws one of his labels. HAs to be, right?