Joe Posted April 18, 2020 Report Posted April 18, 2020 Here's a session I often overlook. Not sure why I forget about it. Excellent stuff, and of historic significance, too. Quote
Chuck Nessa Posted April 18, 2020 Report Posted April 18, 2020 21 minutes ago, Joe said: Here's a session I often overlook. Not sure why I forget about it. Excellent stuff, and of historic significance, too. An alternate of "Yesterdays" was issued on 78 and never reissued. I have a copy. Quote
porcy62 Posted April 18, 2020 Report Posted April 18, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, Joe said: Here's a session I often overlook. Not sure why I forget about it. Excellent stuff, and of historic significance, too. The same session on this one, side A, side B is different No alternate Yesterdays, either. Edited April 18, 2020 by porcy62 Quote
Stonewall15 Posted April 18, 2020 Report Posted April 18, 2020 Are there any recordings of Lee Konitz playing a clarinet? Quote
Joe Posted April 18, 2020 Report Posted April 18, 2020 3 hours ago, Chuck Nessa said: An alternate of "Yesterdays" was issued on 78 and never reissued. I have a copy. Not even on the Miles COMPLETE PRESTIGE box? Odd! Will have to look/listen for that. 24 minutes ago, porcy62 said: The same session on this one, side A, side B is different No alternate Yesterdays, either. Nice alternate cover! Had not seen that one before. Quote
Chuck Nessa Posted April 18, 2020 Report Posted April 18, 2020 2 minutes ago, Joe said: Not even on the Miles COMPLETE PRESTIGE box? Odd! Will have to look/listen for that. If memory serves, Miles lays out on the other take. Will listen later to make sure. Quote
porcy62 Posted April 18, 2020 Report Posted April 18, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Joe said: Not even on the Miles COMPLETE PRESTIGE box? Odd! Will have to look/listen for that. Nice alternate cover! Had not seen that one before. It's a later reissue on NEW JAZZ purple label, with a session of Teddy Charles and Jimmy Raney on side B. No alternate Yesterdays on Prestige set. Edited April 18, 2020 by porcy62 Quote
mjzee Posted April 18, 2020 Report Posted April 18, 2020 17 minutes ago, Chuck Nessa said: If memory serves, Miles lays out on the other take. Will listen later to make sure. I used to have the Chronicles box, and I think it mentions it there. Â Anyway, it's confirmed on jazzdisco.org: Lee Konitz Sextet Miles Davis, trumpet #1-4; Lee Konitz, alto sax; Sal Mosca, piano; Billy Bauer, guitar; Arnold Fishkin, bass; Max Roach, drums #1-3. NYC, March 8, 1951 1. 140B Odjenar New Jazz 853; Prestige PREP 1319, PRLP 116, PRLP 7013; New Jazz NJLP 8295; Prestige PR 7827 2. 141B Ezz-Thetic New Jazz 843; Prestige PREP 1319, PRLP 116, PRLP 7013; New Jazz NJLP 8295; Prestige PR 7827 3. 142B Hi-Beck - 4. 143B Yesterdays New Jazz 855; Prestige PREP 1319, PRLP 116, PRLP 7013; New Jazz NJLP 8295; Prestige PR 7827 5. 143 - Prestige 755 * Prestige PRLP 7013 Â Â Conception Featuring Stan Getz, Miles Davis, Zoot Sims, Sonny Rollins, Gerry Mulligan, Lee Konitz = Prestige PRLP 7013 (later); Original Jazz Classics OJC-1726, OJCCD-1726-2 Â Â Miles Davis/Stan Getz/Gerry Mulligan/Lee Konitz/Sonny Rollins/Zoot Sims - Conception * New Jazz NJLP 8295 Â Â Lee Konitz, Miles Davis, Teddy Charles, Jimmy Raney - Ezz-Thetic = Prestige PR 16011 Â Â Lee Konitz - Ezz-Thetic! * Prestige PR 7827 Â Â Lee Konitz - Ezz-Thetic! * Prestige PRLP 116 Â Â Lee Konitz - The New Sounds * Prestige PREP 1319 Â Â Lee Konitz With Miles Davis * New Jazz 853; Prestige 753 Â Â Lee Konitz - Indian Summer / Odjenar * New Jazz 843; Prestige 743 Â Â Lee Konitz - Ezz-Thetic / Hi-Beck * New Jazz 855 Â Â Lee Konitz - Duet For Saxophone And Guitar / Yesterdays * Prestige 755 Â Â Lee Konitz - Duet For Saxophone And Guitar / Yesterdays Quote
Clunky Posted April 18, 2020 Report Posted April 18, 2020 (edited) My picks from Lee’s career might be... Early- anything with Tristano and Warne late early career - meeting with Warne Marsh ( Atlantic) mid career- Motion (Verve) with Elvin late career- Dig-it (Steeplechase) with the incredibly fabulous Ted Brown. Edited April 18, 2020 by Clunky Quote
corto maltese Posted April 18, 2020 Report Posted April 18, 2020 16 hours ago, clifford_thornton said: For sure. Slide Hampton, Barre Phillips, and Stu Martin also come to mind, as do Mal Waldron and Nathan Davis. The first time I saw Lee Konitz was as a guest soloist (along with George Lewis) with the ICP Orchestra. Quote
Joe Posted April 18, 2020 Report Posted April 18, 2020 10 minutes ago, mjzee said: I used to have the Chronicles box, and I think it mentions it there. Â Anyway, it's confirmed on jazzdisco.org: Lee Konitz Sextet Miles Davis, trumpet #1-4; Lee Konitz, alto sax; Sal Mosca, piano; Billy Bauer, guitar; Arnold Fishkin, bass; Max Roach, drums #1-3. NYC, March 8, 1951 1. 140B Odjenar New Jazz 853; Prestige PREP 1319, PRLP 116, PRLP 7013; New Jazz NJLP 8295; Prestige PR 7827 2. 141B Ezz-Thetic New Jazz 843; Prestige PREP 1319, PRLP 116, PRLP 7013; New Jazz NJLP 8295; Prestige PR 7827 3. 142B Hi-Beck - 4. 143B Yesterdays New Jazz 855; Prestige PREP 1319, PRLP 116, PRLP 7013; New Jazz NJLP 8295; Prestige PR 7827 5. 143 - Prestige 755 * Prestige PRLP 7013 Â Â Conception Featuring Stan Getz, Miles Davis, Zoot Sims, Sonny Rollins, Gerry Mulligan, Lee Konitz = Prestige PRLP 7013 (later); Original Jazz Classics OJC-1726, OJCCD-1726-2 Â Â Miles Davis/Stan Getz/Gerry Mulligan/Lee Konitz/Sonny Rollins/Zoot Sims - Conception * New Jazz NJLP 8295 Â Â Lee Konitz, Miles Davis, Teddy Charles, Jimmy Raney - Ezz-Thetic = Prestige PR 16011 Â Â Lee Konitz - Ezz-Thetic! * Prestige PR 7827 Â Â Lee Konitz - Ezz-Thetic! * Prestige PRLP 116 Â Â Lee Konitz - The New Sounds * Prestige PREP 1319 Â Â Lee Konitz With Miles Davis * New Jazz 853; Prestige 753 Â Â Lee Konitz - Indian Summer / Odjenar * New Jazz 843; Prestige 743 Â Â Lee Konitz - Ezz-Thetic / Hi-Beck * New Jazz 855 Â Â Lee Konitz - Duet For Saxophone And Guitar / Yesterdays * Prestige 755 Â Â Lee Konitz - Duet For Saxophone And Guitar / Yesterdays Thanks! Quote
RiRiIII Posted April 18, 2020 Report Posted April 18, 2020 (edited) 35 minutes ago, mjzee said: I used to have the Chronicles box, and I think it mentions it there. Â Anyway, it's confirmed on jazzdisco.org: Lee Konitz Sextet Miles Davis, trumpet #1-4; Lee Konitz, alto sax; Sal Mosca, piano; Billy Bauer, guitar; Arnold Fishkin, bass; Max Roach, drums #1-3. NYC, March 8, 1951 1. 140B Odjenar New Jazz 853; Prestige PREP 1319, PRLP 116, PRLP 7013; New Jazz NJLP 8295; Prestige PR 7827 2. 141B Ezz-Thetic New Jazz 843; Prestige PREP 1319, PRLP 116, PRLP 7013; New Jazz NJLP 8295; Prestige PR 7827 3. 142B Hi-Beck - 4. 143B Yesterdays New Jazz 855; Prestige PREP 1319, PRLP 116, PRLP 7013; New Jazz NJLP 8295; Prestige PR 7827 5. 143 - Prestige 755 * Prestige PRLP 7013 Â Â Conception Featuring Stan Getz, Miles Davis, Zoot Sims, Sonny Rollins, Gerry Mulligan, Lee Konitz = Prestige PRLP 7013 (later); Original Jazz Classics OJC-1726, OJCCD-1726-2 Â Â Miles Davis/Stan Getz/Gerry Mulligan/Lee Konitz/Sonny Rollins/Zoot Sims - Conception * New Jazz NJLP 8295 Â Â Lee Konitz, Miles Davis, Teddy Charles, Jimmy Raney - Ezz-Thetic = Prestige PR 16011 Â Â Lee Konitz - Ezz-Thetic! * Prestige PR 7827 Â Â Lee Konitz - Ezz-Thetic! * Prestige PRLP 116 Â Â Lee Konitz - The New Sounds * Prestige PREP 1319 Â Â Lee Konitz With Miles Davis * New Jazz 853; Prestige 753 Â Â Lee Konitz - Indian Summer / Odjenar * New Jazz 843; Prestige 743 Â Â Lee Konitz - Ezz-Thetic / Hi-Beck * New Jazz 855 Â Â Lee Konitz - Duet For Saxophone And Guitar / Yesterdays * Prestige 755 Â Â Lee Konitz - Duet For Saxophone And Guitar / Yesterdays Although Miles is listed on the label: A nice story about it at: https://jazzcollector.com/features/finding-a-rare-lee-konitz-right-on-my-own-shelf/comment-page-1/?unapproved=452946&moderation-hash=cb91c9cb25edcd95181764a50c49e232#comment-452946 Edited April 18, 2020 by RiRiIII add data Quote
Chuck Nessa Posted April 18, 2020 Report Posted April 18, 2020 43 minutes ago, RiRiIII said: Although Miles is listed on the label: A nice story about it at: https://jazzcollector.com/features/finding-a-rare-lee-konitz-right-on-my-own-shelf/comment-page-1/?unapproved=452946&moderation-hash=cb91c9cb25edcd95181764a50c49e232#comment-452946 The story mentions he found the 78 at the Jazz Record Mart about 35 years ago. I got my copy (and a bunch of original Prestige pressings) when I worked there in '66/67. When the local Prestige distributor phased out his 78 inventory, Bob bought the lot. The Discogs entry (* New Jazz 855 Â Â Lee Konitz - Duet For Saxophone And Guitar / Yesterdays / * Prestige 755 Â Â Lee Konitz - Duet For Saxophone And Guitar / Yesterdays) is incorrect. These recordings have nothing to do with the "Duet" session. Â Quote
jazzcorner Posted April 18, 2020 Report Posted April 18, 2020 (edited) On 18.4.2020 at 7:51 PM, RiRiIII said: Lee Konitz Sextet Miles Davis, trumpet #1-4; Lee Konitz, alto sax; Sal Mosca, piano; Billy Bauer, guitar; Arnold Fishkin, bass; Max Roach, drums Appears as mentioned above on Prestige # PR 7827 " Ezz-thetic!" [Prestige Historical Series] and on Prestige/New Jazz # 8295 "Ezz-Thetic" but with a different content of the rest of both LP's. Here arer the scans from the backside of both LP's a) Prestige PR 7827  b) Prestige/New Jazz 8295   Edited April 20, 2020 by jazzcorner more text Quote
Justin V Posted April 18, 2020 Report Posted April 18, 2020 I think that this was my first Konitz-led session and is still one of my favorites. Because of this album, I once called out for 'Skylark' at a Konitz concert when he asked for requests. It didn't work, but I tried. Quote
RiRiIII Posted April 18, 2020 Report Posted April 18, 2020 So the label is incorrect? They wrongly pressed the wrong master for this single? Quote
jazzcorner Posted April 18, 2020 Report Posted April 18, 2020 44 minutes ago, Justin V said: I think that this was my first Konitz-led session and is still one of my favorites. Because of this album, I once called out for 'Skylark' at a Konitz concert when he asked for requests. It didn't work, but I tried. Have it and like it too! Only it was not my first Konitz recording. ;-]]  Quote
sgcim Posted April 18, 2020 Report Posted April 18, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, mjzee said: I used to have the Chronicles box, and I think it mentions it there.  Anyway, it's confirmed on jazzdisco.org: Lee Konitz Sextet Miles Davis, trumpet #1-4; Lee Konitz, alto sax; Sal Mosca, piano; Billy Bauer, guitar; Arnold Fishkin, bass; Max Roach, drums #1-3. NYC, March 8, 1951 1. 140B Odjenar New Jazz 853; Prestige PREP 1319, PRLP 116, PRLP 7013; New Jazz NJLP 8295; Prestige PR 7827 2. 141B Ezz-Thetic New Jazz 843; Prestige PREP 1319, PRLP 116, PRLP 7013; New Jazz NJLP 8295; Prestige PR 7827 3. 142B Hi-Beck - 4. 143B Yesterdays New Jazz 855; Prestige PREP 1319, PRLP 116, PRLP 7013; New Jazz NJLP 8295; Prestige PR 7827 5. 143 - Prestige 755 * Prestige PRLP 7013   Conception Featuring Stan Getz, Miles Davis, Zoot Sims, Sonny Rollins, Gerry Mulligan, Lee Konitz = Prestige PRLP 7013 (later); Original Jazz Classics OJC-1726, OJCCD-1726-2   Miles Davis/Stan Getz/Gerry Mulligan/Lee Konitz/Sonny Rollins/Zoot Sims - Conception * New Jazz NJLP 8295   Lee Konitz, Miles Davis, Teddy Charles, Jimmy Raney - Ezz-Thetic = Prestige PR 16011   Lee Konitz - Ezz-Thetic! * Prestige PR 7827   Lee Konitz - Ezz-Thetic! * Prestige PRLP 116   Lee Konitz - The New Sounds * Prestige PREP 1319   Lee Konitz With Miles Davis * New Jazz 853; Prestige 753   Lee Konitz - Indian Summer / Odjenar * New Jazz 843; Prestige 743   Lee Konitz - Ezz-Thetic / Hi-Beck * New Jazz 855   Lee Konitz - Duet For Saxophone And Guitar / Yesterdays * Prestige 755   Lee Konitz - Duet For Saxophone And Guitar / Yesterdays In the George Russell biography, there's a wild story about the session that produced Russell's "Ezz-Thetic. Miles was strung out during the session, and trying to get out of the studio to score, but Russell and his wife insisted that he play the line on Ezz-Thetic with Lee, but Miles couldn't cut it. It's a difficult line that doesn't sit well on the horn, but Lee had no trouble with it. Miles kept messing it up, and got so desperate, that he bolted for the door, but Russell's wife (who was also married to Giuffre at one time) was guarding the door, and blocked him from leaving. She and Russell dragged him back to the session, and Russell came up with that great counter line Miles could cut, and it came out fine, as you can hear on the record. The blowing changes are just "Love For Sale" so Lee plays the schlitz out of it.  Edited April 18, 2020 by sgcim Quote
mikeweil Posted April 18, 2020 Report Posted April 18, 2020 It is a missed opportunity and lack of discographical knowledge that Fantasy never issued a complete Tristano/Konitz/Miles CD including the take that Chuck has. It all would nicely have fit onto one CD. Quote
Chuck Nessa Posted April 18, 2020 Report Posted April 18, 2020 23 minutes ago, mikeweil said: It is a missed opportunity and lack of discographical knowledge that Fantasy never issued a complete Tristano/Konitz/Miles CD including the take that Chuck has. It all would nicely have fit onto one CD. Indeed. I tried, but it was too late. Quote
Joe Posted April 19, 2020 Report Posted April 19, 2020 While we're doing detective work... WTF is this? Originally slated for release on Impulse? https://www.discogs.com/G%C3%A9rald-Merceron-The-Lee-Konitz-Quartet-Martial-SolalDaring-Jazz-Quartet-Modern-Jazz-Compositions-Fr/release/5159822 Quote
Dave James Posted April 19, 2020 Report Posted April 19, 2020 1965: Lee in Denmark playing with Bill Evans: Â Quote
GA Russell Posted April 19, 2020 Report Posted April 19, 2020 14 hours ago, porcy62 said:   RIP Lee Konitz! This was one of my first jazz albums. I still think of it fondly. Quote
David Ayers Posted April 19, 2020 Report Posted April 19, 2020 11 hours ago, mikeweil said: It is a missed opportunity and lack of discographical knowledge that Fantasy never issued a complete Tristano/Konitz/Miles CD including the take that Chuck has. It all would nicely have fit onto one CD. How much if this ground was covered by this? https://www.discogs.com/Miles-Davis-Stan-Getz-Gerry-Mulligan-Lee-Konitz-Sonny-Rollins-Zoot-Sims-Conception/release/7953012  I’m thinking none, but there is that additional duet at the end - not with Miles.  Someone tell Fresh Sounds! Quote
EKE BBB Posted April 19, 2020 Report Posted April 19, 2020 21 hours ago, Stonewall15 said: Are there any recordings of Lee Konitz playing a clarinet? To my knowledge, only those with the Claude Thornhill Orchestra (1947). Quote
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