Phil Meloy Posted December 8, 2004 Report Share Posted December 8, 2004 Does anyone have any info on these Jazz Colours releases such as this one? They seem to have been released around 1999. I've recently ordered their release of Abdullah Ibrahim's "Anatomy of a South African Village" through Amazon UK but it is yet to arrive so I can't comment on it at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeweil Posted December 8, 2004 Report Share Posted December 8, 2004 That Masekela record Mike mentioned has me drooling now...I have never heard it but that lineup looks great. The original issue was Blue Thumb BTS 6003 Hugh Masekela – Home Is Where The Music Is. Double LP reissues as Impulse IA-9343/2 and Impulse 2-4147 Hugh Masekela – The African Connection. The last is only a re-numbering after Impulse was sold - the Impulse issue should be available used somewhere. It's a great album, produced by Stewart Levine and Caiphus Semenya - the latter also wrote five of the ten tunes. The jazziest Masekela I know. It was recorded in London in January, 1972. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejp626 Posted December 9, 2004 Report Share Posted December 9, 2004 (edited) I had a friend recently get back from South Africa. She brought back a few choice CDs, including something by Moses Molelekwa (can't recall the title now). Based on that, I discovered a 3 CD set (also sold as individual CDs) called Outernational Meltdown (on B & W Music). I managed to get vol. 1 and 3 for not too much through half.com, so you could keep an eye out for them. The actual titles are: Vol 1 - Free at Last Vol 2 - Healer's Brew Vol 3 - Jazzin' Universally Eric Edited December 9, 2004 by ejp626 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted December 9, 2004 Report Share Posted December 9, 2004 I had a friend recently get back from South Africa. She brought back a few choice CDs, including something by Moses Molelekwa (can't recall the title now). Based on that, I discovered a 3 CD set (also sold as individual CDs) called Outernational Meltdown (on B & W Music). I managed to get vol. 1 and 3 for not too much through half.com, so you could keep an eye out for them. The actual titles are: Vol 1 - Free at Last Vol 2 - Healer's Brew Vol 3 - Jazzin' Universally Eric Eric, what's on these discs? Style, artists? Now on Masekela: This disc compiles some of his early US recordings (66-70), and I believe that parts of the album mentioned above are included as well. I made a burn from the library, but don't have it here to check for sure. ubu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Meloy Posted December 9, 2004 Report Share Posted December 9, 2004 This is a great album, one of my all time faves, esp the tracks with Winston 'Mankunku' Ngozi: Freedom Blues: South African Jazz Under Apartheid Finally got this one! A great compilation, indeed! Only I'd wish for a complete discography! Amazon UK has it for 9 £. ubu Thanks for the link ubu. I actually managed to order it from one of their Marketplace sellers for £2.16 a short while ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted December 9, 2004 Report Share Posted December 9, 2004 This is a great album, one of my all time faves, esp the tracks with Winston 'Mankunku' Ngozi: Freedom Blues: South African Jazz Under Apartheid Finally got this one! A great compilation, indeed! Only I'd wish for a complete discography! Amazon UK has it for 9 £. ubu Thanks for the link ubu. I actually managed to order it from one of their Marketplace sellers for £2.16 a short while ago. You're going to like it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejp626 Posted December 12, 2004 Report Share Posted December 12, 2004 Ubu: Sorry for the delay. This link talks about the series in a bit more detail. Outnational Meltdown page If you keep clicking through, you get to a place where you can order the entire set for 220 Rand. No idea if they ship to Europe, or if you'd ever see this. There are other places to order this. Half.com for instance has them for under $15 each, though getting them shipped might be a pain. I can't find Jazzin Universally right now, which I like a bit better. But I am listening to Free at Last. The first track has Moses Molelekwa on piano. He is very good. There is a heavy electric bass riff that is funky but a little repetitive over 7 minutes. There are also horns that come in, and lyrics in an African tongue. Airto Moreira on percussion. Definitely a great track. Track 2 starts with bird calls and chants. There are 4 marima players, and I'm pretty sure I heard a cowbell (probably Airto). It appears that Airto is on nearly all tracks. It's really too bad the piano player isn't more involved. I think he is more involved on Jazzin Universally. He actually passed away a few years ago, but his work is worth seeking out. Track 3 is more guitar and vocal heavy. The guitar part sounds almost like bluegrass. I'm not crazy about track 4 but it does have didgeridoo on it, which counts for something. Track 5 is a bit slower, with bass and another string instrument playing off each other. According to the liner, there are 4 maribas here too, but I don't here them. About halfway through the song, it picks up, trumpet is added and I guess the maribas come in. It sounds a bit like an outtake from Paul Simon's Graceland album. Track 6 starts with a female chorus (most of the vocals up to now have only been male). Oh, there is a male voice blending in. This is a stripped down song, with vocals, wood block and conga. Track 7 is back to funky with 8 string bass and two guitars. It gets kind of busy towards the end as everyone adds their voice or instrument. It's still good though. It's basically a 15 minute jam. You'd probably like it. I think it is a bit deeper than the Africa Straight Ahead album. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garthsj Posted December 13, 2004 Author Report Share Posted December 13, 2004 (edited) Hi Ubu ... This Outernational Meltdown series looks like an interesting set .. You can find more background at this site ... http://www.melt2000.com/history/0015a.html Garth. Edited December 13, 2004 by garthsj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted December 13, 2004 Report Share Posted December 13, 2004 Thanks, Eric & Garth! Sounds like a nice set, indeed! I'll put in on my "list"... ubu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garthsj Posted December 14, 2004 Author Report Share Posted December 14, 2004 This is a great album, one of my all time faves, esp the tracks with Winston 'Mankunku' Ngozi: Freedom Blues: South African Jazz Under Apartheid Finally got this one! A great compilation, indeed! Only I'd wish for a complete discography! Amazon UK has it for 9 £. ubu Thanks for the link ubu. I actually managed to order it from one of their Marketplace sellers for £2.16 a short while ago. You're going to like it! Mine just arrived .... Loved it... rather eclectic .... and I REALLY want to find that John Mehegan "In South Africa" album (a cut of which, with Kippy, is on this CD), which was originally issued on a Gallo LP in the early sixties. I wonder if it was ever reissued on CD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted December 14, 2004 Report Share Posted December 14, 2004 (edited) This is a great album, one of my all time faves, esp the tracks with Winston 'Mankunku' Ngozi: Freedom Blues: South African Jazz Under Apartheid Finally got this one! A great compilation, indeed! Only I'd wish for a complete discography! Amazon UK has it for 9 £. ubu Thanks for the link ubu. I actually managed to order it from one of their Marketplace sellers for £2.16 a short while ago. You're going to like it! Mine just arrived .... Loved it... rather eclectic .... and I REALLY want to find that John Mehegan "In South Africa" album (a cut of which, with Kippy, is on this CD), which was originally issued on a Gallo LP in the early sixties. I wonder if it was ever reissued on CD. PLEEEEEEAZE hook up with me in case you can find that Mehegan! I'd die to hear more of it! Edited December 14, 2004 by king ubu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garthsj Posted December 14, 2004 Author Report Share Posted December 14, 2004 (edited) Ubu, You can find some interesting information here ... I will try to find a copy in S.A. by asking some friends... http://www.allaboutjazz.com/php/article.php?id=889 This is a most fascinating academic treatise examining the life of Kippie Moeketsie against the life of Charlie Parker ... I hope you can read it, as it is in a weird format. http://www.criticalmethods.org/p100.mv All interesting stuff this .. rediscovering my own heritage ... Garth. Edited December 15, 2004 by garthsj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garthsj Posted December 14, 2004 Author Report Share Posted December 14, 2004 Ubu ... I have discovered the discography for this album ..... now I am salivating even more ... I see that several cuts have been used in some of the recent Kaz releases. JAZZ IN AFRICA John Mehegan Johannesburg, South Africa: 1959 Hugh Masekela (tp); Jonas Gwangwa (tb); Kippie Moeketsi (as); Johnny Mehegan (p); Claude Shange (b); Gene Latimore (d). a. Lover Come Back To Me (Romberg/Hammerstein) b. Body & Soul (Green/Sour/Heyman/Eyton) c. That Old Devil Moon (Lane/Harburg) d. Yesterdays e. Twelve By Twelve (aka Twelve Times Twelve) (traditional, adapted by Davashe) f. Mambovana g. Johnny's Idea h. Like Someone In Love i. Angel Eyes j. Yardbird Suite (Charlie Parker) Issues: a-j on Continental CONT9. a-c, e & j also on Kaz (E) KAZ24 [CD], Camden (E) CDN-1004 [CD] titled JAZZ IN AFRICA VOLUME 1. Someone in South Africa must have a copy!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted December 15, 2004 Report Share Posted December 15, 2004 Thanks for these links, Garth! I printed both, will read them tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted December 15, 2004 Report Share Posted December 15, 2004 Ubu ... I have discovered the discography for this album ..... now I am salivating even more ... I see that several cuts have been used in some of the recent Kaz releases. JAZZ IN AFRICA John Mehegan Johannesburg, South Africa: 1959 Hugh Masekela (tp); Jonas Gwangwa (tb); Kippie Moeketsi (as); Johnny Mehegan (p); Claude Shange (b); Gene Latimore (d). a. Lover Come Back To Me (Romberg/Hammerstein) b. Body & Soul (Green/Sour/Heyman/Eyton) c. That Old Devil Moon (Lane/Harburg) d. Yesterdays e. Twelve By Twelve (aka Twelve Times Twelve) (traditional, adapted by Davashe) f. Mambovana g. Johnny's Idea h. Like Someone In Love i. Angel Eyes j. Yardbird Suite (Charlie Parker) Issues: a-j on Continental CONT9. a-c, e & j also on Kaz (E) KAZ24 [CD], Camden (E) CDN-1004 [CD] titled JAZZ IN AFRICA VOLUME 1. Someone in South Africa must have a copy!!! Is that from a reliable source? God, I hate Kaz and Camden I have Jazz in Africa Volume 1 on Camden, it has the tunes in question, BUT: I thought this was a Jazz Epistles ONLY disc!!! The full title reads: "JAZZ in Africa - Volume 1 - featuring The Jazz Epistles" (Camden CDN 1004, rel. 1998). The liners (by Donald McRae) tell the story of the Epistles, and don't mention any other musicians, BUT of course (crappy Camden), there is NO DISCOGRAPHY... (I think I typed one up in the Kippie thread, at least one that I then believed was correct.) Now Jazz in Africa Vol. 2 I have in its Kaz reincarnation (rel. 1992). That one has a discography, but there's no Epistles, and no Mehegan there... Now am I to suppose that parts of the Vol. 1 feat the Jazz Epistles are the "real" Epistles, while parts are half of the Epistles (the horns) with Mehegan?!? ubu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garthsj Posted December 15, 2004 Author Report Share Posted December 15, 2004 I have both volumes of "Jazz in Africa" as well (thanks to your recommendation several months ago) ... NOW, if you listen with BIG ears (as I just did), you can hear that this is an "American" pianist ... I wondered about that at the time I first listened to this CD. It definitely does not sound like Dollar Brand used to sound ... so, I think that this takes care of about 40% of the Mehegan session .. where is the rest? I got the discography from a Hugh Masekela site .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted December 15, 2004 Report Share Posted December 15, 2004 I have both volumes of "Jazz in Africa" as well (thanks to your recommendation several months ago) ... NOW, if you listen with BIG ears (as I just did), you can hear that this is an "American" pianist ... I wondered about that at the time I first listened to this CD. It definitely does not sound like Dollar Brand used to sound ... so, I think that this takes care of about 40% of the Mehegan session .. where is the rest? I got the discography from a Hugh Masekela site .... So tracks 2, 3, 5, 9 & 13 are with Mehegan, and all the others are with the Epistles? Or do you have any more information suggesting that not being the case, either? Thanks for clearing this! ubu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garthsj Posted December 15, 2004 Author Report Share Posted December 15, 2004 (edited) I have both volumes of "Jazz in Africa" as well (thanks to your recommendation several months ago) ... NOW, if you listen with BIG ears (as I just did), you can hear that this is an "American" pianist ... I wondered about that at the time I first listened to this CD. It definitely does not sound like Dollar Brand used to sound ... so, I think that this takes care of about 40% of the Mehegan session .. where is the rest? I got the discography from a Hugh Masekela site .... So tracks 2, 3, 5, 9 & 13 are with Mehegan, and all the others are with the Epistles? Or do you have any more information suggesting that not being the case, either? Thanks for clearing this! ubu Here is more information .. so we are gradually whittling away at the discography for Vol. 1 ... this makes me much more satisfied as I listen to the album, and makes so much more sense. I wonder if the remaining Mehegan sides were ever reissued at all .. either LP or Cd ... This comes from the Masekela discographical website.... http://www.dougpayne.com/hmhome.htm JAZZ EPISTLE: VERSE 1 Jazz Epistles Sophiatown, South Africa: September 1959 Hugh Masekela (tp); Jonas Gwangwa (tb); Kippie Moeketsi (as); Dollar Brand (Abdullah Ibrahim) (p); Johnny Gertze (b); Makhaya Ntshoko (d). a. Dollar's Moods (Hugh Masekela) b. Blues For Hughie (Kippie Moeketsi) c. Uka-Jonga Phambili (Dollar Brand) d. I Remember Billy (Kippie Moeketsi) e. Vary-Oo-Vum (Dollar Brand) f. Carol's Drive (Kippie Moeketsi) g. Gafsa (Dollar Brand) h. Scullery Department (Kippie Moeketsi) Issues: a-h on Continental (SA) CONT14, Gallo-Cont (SA) GALP14, Celluloid 66892-2 [CD]. Samplers: a-c & f-g also on Kaz (E) KAZ24 [CD], Camden (E) CDN-1004 [CD] titled JAZZ IN AFRICA VOLUME 1. h also on Music Club 50095 [CD] titled FREEDOM BLUES: SOUTH AFRICAN JAZZ UNDER APARTHIED. Edited December 16, 2004 by garthsj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted December 15, 2004 Report Share Posted December 15, 2004 Again thanks, Garth! Things start to clear up a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Meloy Posted December 16, 2004 Report Share Posted December 16, 2004 (edited) Here's a good South African on-line store One World which specialises in South African music that some people may not have heard of. I've just come across it and found two Moses Mololekwa CDs that I couldn't find anywhere else. Shipping charges aren't to0 bad if you opt for Registered International Mail rather than Courier. It will probably take a couple of weeks for them to arrive but that's OK. They also appear to have the Gallo Jazz Epistles CD that garth mentioned in stock. Edited December 16, 2004 by Phil Meloy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted January 10, 2005 Report Share Posted January 10, 2005 Garth, I finally sorted things out for the Camden "Jazz in Africa Vol. 1: The Jazz Epistles" CD. The only thing is: #1 (Delilah) and #14 (Cosmic Ray) are from neither the Jazz Epistles' "Verse 1" nor the John Menegan-led "Jazz in Africa" albums. Do you have any idea where they're coming from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bright Moments Posted January 10, 2005 Report Share Posted January 10, 2005 have any of you bought from www.sternsmusic.com yet? they seem to have a large inventory of south african jazz. i am about to place my first order but wanted to first see if people have had good results with them. B-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted January 10, 2005 Report Share Posted January 10, 2005 Not me, no. Will have to check that site, looks nice! Please report if you do order. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted January 17, 2005 Report Share Posted January 17, 2005 Garth, I finally sorted things out for the Camden "Jazz in Africa Vol. 1: The Jazz Epistles" CD. The only thing is: #1 (Delilah) and #14 (Cosmic Ray) are from neither the Jazz Epistles' "Verse 1" nor the John Menegan-led "Jazz in Africa" albums. Do you have any idea where they're coming from? Up for Garth! ubu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted January 18, 2005 Report Share Posted January 18, 2005 Took this one from the libary yesterday: Anyone's heard it? @Garth: my question is still open, regarding the two tracks on "Jazz In Africa Vol. 1"! ubu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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