Teasing the Korean Posted October 19, 2019 Report Share Posted October 19, 2019 (edited) 31 minutes ago, Robert Middleton said: Yeah, this looks like a good one! Garzone is great but only have a few of his albums. Plus Erskine and Pasquale. And three discs! Is this private eye jazz or noir-esque? 56 minutes ago, kh1958 said: "Exotica is not dead, it just smells bad." Cotton Underwood. I disagree. Exotica is every bit as dead as jazz is, in terms of its contemporary cultural relevance. What jazz and exotica share in common is that the only cultural relevance they have in the new millennium is when they are sampled in electronica and hip hop. Art forms have lifespans, just like artists. Edited October 19, 2019 by Teasing the Korean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HutchFan Posted October 19, 2019 Report Share Posted October 19, 2019 3 hours ago, Teasing the Korean said: What jazz and exotica share in common is that the only cultural relevance they have in the new millennium is when they are sampled in electronica and hip hop. Art forms have lifespans, just like artists. TtK, it seems like you're intent on denigrating music that many of us care about deeply. Robert started a thread about new jazz. If you don't care for new jazz, that's fine. No one is going to argue that you SHOULD like it. On the other hand, you not-so-subtly remind us again and again that jazz is somehow "not relevant" culturally -- and the implication is that we SHOULD NOT like it. O.K. We get it. Jazz today doesn't have the cultural sway that it once did. Big deal. I don't listen to music as a culture. I listen to it as an individual. And, as an individual, the music means a great deal to me. And, since this board is dedicated to jazz, not surprisingly, it means a lot to MANY of the readers here. So what gives? What are you trying to prove? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasing the Korean Posted October 19, 2019 Report Share Posted October 19, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, HutchFan said: TtK, it seems like you're intent on denigrating music that many of us care about deeply. Robert started a thread about new jazz. If you don't care for new jazz, that's fine. No one is going to argue that you SHOULD like it. On the other hand, you not-so-subtly remind us again and again that jazz is somehow "not relevant" culturally -- and the implication is that we SHOULD NOT like it. O.K. We get it. Jazz today doesn't have the cultural sway that it once did. Big deal. I don't listen to music as a culture. I listen to it as an individual. And, as an individual, the music means a great deal to me. And, since this board is dedicated to jazz, not surprisingly, it means a lot to MANY of the readers here. So what gives? What are you trying to prove? It is helpful to read in context. I wrote what I did in response to an outrageous claim by our friend KH1958 or whatever that exotica is not dead. Exotica is dead. As for "denigrating music that many of us care about deeply," I have money taken out of my paycheck each week for a non-profit jazz education program. I have been doing so for years and years. This is money that I could be using to buy second-hand copies of albums by contemporary jazz artists and depriving them of making money off of the sales. I wonder how many on this board do the same. And no one bothered to answer my question as to whether or not that album pictured above has private-eye jazz or noir content. Do you happen to know? Edited October 19, 2019 by Teasing the Korean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlhoots Posted October 19, 2019 Report Share Posted October 19, 2019 What is private-eye jazz? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasing the Korean Posted October 19, 2019 Report Share Posted October 19, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, jlhoots said: What is private-eye jazz? Seriously? Among the greatest jazz ever made. For starters, check out Mundell Lowe's version of "Riff Blues" from Mike Hammer! Edited October 19, 2019 by Teasing the Korean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlhoots Posted October 19, 2019 Report Share Posted October 19, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Teasing the Korean said: Seriously? I think you're trolling. What - like Peter Gunn? Which versions - Shelly Manne or not? TV Action Jazz - Oh boy, maybe that's what you mean. Edited October 19, 2019 by jlhoots Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasing the Korean Posted October 19, 2019 Report Share Posted October 19, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, jlhoots said: I think your [sic] trolling. What - like Peter Gunn? Which versions - Shelly Manne or not? TV Action Jazz - Oh boy, maybe that's what you mean. Not trolling, I love private eye jazz! Edited October 19, 2019 by Teasing the Korean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlhoots Posted October 19, 2019 Report Share Posted October 19, 2019 20 hours ago, Teasing the Korean said: They still make jazz records? Who knew? Seriously??? - back at ya. 6 minutes ago, Teasing the Korean said: Not trolling, I love private eye jazz! Now you're not answering. BTW, thanks for the grammar lesson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasing the Korean Posted October 19, 2019 Report Share Posted October 19, 2019 (edited) 27 minutes ago, jlhoots said: Seriously??? - back at ya. Now you're not answering. BTW, thanks for the grammar lesson. My pleasure! And my question was clearly meant in jest. Now, can anyone tell me if the album pictured above has any private-eye jazz or noir content? Edited October 19, 2019 by Teasing the Korean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasing the Korean Posted October 19, 2019 Report Share Posted October 19, 2019 1 hour ago, jlhoots said: Now you're not answering. What didn't I answer? I'm happy to clarify. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlhoots Posted October 19, 2019 Report Share Posted October 19, 2019 1 hour ago, Teasing the Korean said: What didn't I answer? I'm happy to clarify. Do you like the Shelly Manne version of Peter Gunn? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasing the Korean Posted October 19, 2019 Report Share Posted October 19, 2019 Just now, jlhoots said: Do you like the Shelly Manne version of Peter Gunn? I don't like it. I LOVE IT! And I have all three - both volumes from the TV show, and the Gunn theatrical film! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlhoots Posted October 19, 2019 Report Share Posted October 19, 2019 Just now, Teasing the Korean said: I don't like it. I LOVE IT! And I have all three - both volumes from the TV show, and the Gunn theatrical film! That we can agree on. I don't think you're getting an answer about the private-eye or noir content of the 3 CD set discussed in the thread because no one knows. Maybe you should listen to it & tell us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasing the Korean Posted October 19, 2019 Report Share Posted October 19, 2019 24 minutes ago, jlhoots said: That we can agree on. I don't think you're getting an answer about the private-eye or noir content of the 3 CD set discussed in the thread because no one knows. Maybe you should listen to it & tell us. If I illegally listen to it on YouTube, I might get yelled at by Chuck Nessa! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted October 19, 2019 Report Share Posted October 19, 2019 6 minutes ago, Teasing the Korean said: If I illegally listen to it on YouTube, I might get yelled at by Chuck Nessa! Listening ain't illegal, posting is. ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medjuck Posted October 19, 2019 Report Share Posted October 19, 2019 3 hours ago, Teasing the Korean said: My pleasure! And my question was clearly meant in jest. Now, can anyone tell me if the album pictured above has any private-eye jazz or noir content? I remember an earlier Mike Hammer tv series starring Darren McGaven that used Harlem Nocturne as as a theme. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kh1958 Posted October 20, 2019 Report Share Posted October 20, 2019 Moving back to focusing on the culturally irrelevant, I forgot to mention another favorite of the year, the excellent new CD by Charnett Moffett, Bright New Day. Come to think of it, just about all the music I've been interested in since the Beatles broke up has been culturally irrelevant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin V Posted October 20, 2019 Report Share Posted October 20, 2019 On 10/18/2019 at 11:14 PM, kh1958 said: I would include as favorite newly recorded 2019 jazz releases: John Chin, Fifth Yes, John Chin! Chin is one of my favorite discoveries of the past seveal years. I ordered Fifth from Chin's Bandcamp this year and the download features bonus tracks not on the CD. I heartily recommend his Undercover and Blackout Conception as well. I'd be genuinely shocked if Robmid and fans of modern piano didn't like Chin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjazzg Posted October 20, 2019 Report Share Posted October 20, 2019 Angel Bat Dawid - the Oracle (International Anthem) Damon Locks Black Monument Ensemble - Where Future Unfolds (International Anthem) Jaimie Branch - Fly Or Die II (International Anthem) Olie Brice Somersaults Trio - Numerology of Birdsong (Westhill Records) Nerija - Blume (Domino) And I fully expect to add Matana Roberts' Coin Coin 4 when it arrives next week Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kh1958 Posted October 20, 2019 Report Share Posted October 20, 2019 4 hours ago, mjazzg said: And I fully expect to add Matana Roberts' Coin Coin 4 when it arrives next week Just ordered that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erwbol Posted October 25, 2019 Report Share Posted October 25, 2019 Correction on my previous post. I had forgotten the Braxton. Quartet (New Haven) 2014 by Anthony Braxton (Firehouse 12 Records) The People I Love by Steve Lehman Trio + Craig Taborn (Pi Records) Chiasm by Evan Parker & Kinetics (Clean Feed) Combobulated by Tom Rainey Trio with Mary Halvorson and Ingrid Laubrock (Intakt) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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