Mosaic's Black and White label box set

[scooter_phx]

1 hour ago, gmonahan said:

Mosaic hasn't been on time with a release date since I don't know when. We'll see, but I wouldn't expect this one until the end of the summer. I'd be delighted to be wrong!

 

 

 

gregmo

• I'll bet this one is on time.  They've been trying for years to release this set.

[Hardbopjazz]

It’s going to be on time this one. Usually Mosaic doesn’t charge my credit card unless somethings going to be shipped soon. If The release date is out into the future, they usually don’t take payment. The last set, Lenny Tristano, I ordered that one was first available to order, but not anywhere near the shipping date, I wasn’t billed until 15 days or so prior to the release date. My credit card was charged $169 yesterday for this new one. I placed the order a few weeks ago.   

[mjzee]

1 hour ago, Hardbopjazz said:

It’s going to be on time this one. Usually Mosaic doesn’t charge my credit card unless somethings going to be shipped soon. If The release date is out into the future, they usually don’t take payment. The last set, Lenny Tristano, I ordered that one was first available to order, but not anywhere near the shipping date, I wasn’t billed until 15 days or so prior to the release date. My credit card was charged $169 yesterday for this new one. I placed the order a few weeks ago.   

Dunno about that.  My card was charged when I placed the order (April 11).  Maybe it's different because I used PayPal.

[gmonahan]

No sign my card's been charged, but then, I don't use Paypal. Anyway, like I wrote above, I'd be delighted if I'm wrong and this one goes out on schedule!

 

 

 

gregmo

[T.D.]

Mosaic charges PayPal orders when they are placed, credit card orders when shipped (or nowadays, perhaps when transferred to the "shipping partner"). Before they farmed out the shipping, iirc the policy was clearly stated on the Mosaic website, but the site's changed over the years.

[Chuck Nessa]

2 hours ago, T.D. said:

Mosaic charges PayPal orders when they are placed, credit card orders when shipped (or nowadays, perhaps when transferred to the "shipping partner"). Before they farmed out the shipping, iirc the policy was clearly stated on the Mosaic website, but the site's changed over the years.

PayPal does that. PayPal is a vehicle for sending money. Mosaic had no part in it beyond accepting PayPal as a form of payment.

Edited May 19, 2022 by Chuck Nessa

[Dub Modal]

Yeah, using PayPal for preorders can be problematic. 

[Brad]

On 5/19/2022 at 9:46 PM, T.D. said:

Mosaic charges PayPal orders when they are placed, credit card orders when shipped (or nowadays, perhaps when transferred to the "shipping partner"). Before they farmed out the shipping, iirc the policy was clearly stated on the Mosaic website, but the site's changed over the years.

I think many sites do that. I know that Acoustic Sounds only takes (or prefers) credit cards for preorders. 

[jazzbo]

I do PayPal when I can as often as I can--I prefer to have the order paid for upfront, I know what was spent when.

Looking forward to this set!

[tranemonk]

Question for you guys... Which previous Mosaic set "sounds" kinda like this Black and White set? I don't mean sonically. I mean in terms of the music. I'm trying to decide whether to fork up the cash and need a reference point. Thanks.

[mjzee]

4 hours ago, tranemonk said:

Question for you guys... Which previous Mosaic set "sounds" kinda like this Black and White set? I don't mean sonically. I mean in terms of the music. I'm trying to decide whether to fork up the cash and need a reference point. Thanks.

Try The Complete H.R.S. Sessions:

[gmonahan]

3 hours ago, mjzee said:

Try The Complete H.R.S. Sessions:

That's a good choice. I think I'd choose the Bee Hive set as the one that might seem most similar.

 

 

gregmo

[JSngry]

What about that Capitol Jazz Sessions or whatever it was called.?

[ghost of miles]

Classic Capitol Jazz Sessions, and yeah, that's a good point of reference.  Another good musical point of comparison IMO, though not a Mosaic set, is Rhino's Central Avenue Sounds box set from the 1990s.  There may even be several Black & White releases in that collection.

[mjzee]

2 hours ago, gmonahan said:

That's a good choice. I think I'd choose the Bee Hive set as the one that might seem most similar.

But the era would be wrong.  The Black and White box covers the years 1942-1947 (with one 1949 session at the end).  Other good comparisons would be the Mosaic Commodore boxes or the (non-Mosaic) Keynote box.  What makes this B&W box especially interesting (at least to me) is its focus on L.A. musicians, as opposed to N.Y.

[tranemonk]

6 hours ago, mjzee said:

But the era would be wrong.  The Black and White box covers the years 1942-1947 (with one 1949 session at the end).  Other good comparisons would be the Mosaic Commodore boxes or the (non-Mosaic) Keynote box.  What makes this B&W box especially interesting (at least to me) is its focus on L.A. musicians, as opposed to N.Y.

What Keynote box?

[jazzbo]

13 minutes ago, tranemonk said:

What Keynote box?

From Fresh Sound Records, Spain.

[sidewinder]

35 minutes ago, tranemonk said:

What Keynote box?

Also on vinyl from Japan and much earlier than the Fresh Sounds.

[J.A.W.]

1 hour ago, tranemonk said:

What Keynote box?

Japanese Keynote box (LPs)

 

Fresh Sound Keynote box (CDs)

Edited May 22, 2022 by J.A.W.

[tranemonk]

17 hours ago, ghost of miles said:

Classic Capitol Jazz Sessions, and yeah, that's a good point of reference.  Another good musical point of comparison IMO, though not a Mosaic set, is Rhino's Central Avenue Sounds box set from the 1990s.  There may even be several Black & White releases in that collection.

Do you guess that the Black and White will sound better or worse (now I'm asking about the sonic experience)? Also I'm listening to Classic Capitol now and I thought it covered a broader (and earlier) spectrum of years than the Black and White set?

[jazzbo]

I honestly don't think there's a Mosaic set quite like this one as far as material and scope. One that is far less complete but that is somewhat similar in nature is the EMI compilation "The Aladdin Records Story":

 

https://www.discogs.com/release/7394431-Various-Aladdin-The-Aladdin-Records-Story

[mikeweil]

4 hours ago, jazzbo said:

I honestly don't think there's a Mosaic set quite like this one as far as material and scope. One that is far less complete but that is somewhat similar in nature is the EMI compilation "The Aladdin Records Story":

Agreed, but why not a single Lester Young track in this Aladdin compilation?

[jazzbo]

Maybe because his complete output had been out for a while?

[mjzee]

5 hours ago, jazzbo said:

I honestly don't think there's a Mosaic set quite like this one as far as material and scope. One that is far less complete but that is somewhat similar in nature is the EMI compilation "The Aladdin Records Story":

 

https://www.discogs.com/release/7394431-Various-Aladdin-The-Aladdin-Records-Story

That's a great set.  Superb liner notes, great sound quality, and very innovative packaging, with an often surprising mix of recordings.  

 

[Jim Duckworth]

18 hours ago, jazzbo said:

I honestly don't think there's a Mosaic set quite like this one as far as material and scope. One that is far less complete but that is somewhat similar in nature is the EMI compilation "The Aladdin Records Story":

 

https://www.discogs.com/release/7394431-Various-Aladdin-The-Aladdin-Records-Story

Now there's one from which I definitely got my money's worth!  Jumpin' Like Mad also worked for me big time-and it does have a Lester Aladdin track.

https://www.discogs.com/release/9828776-Various-Jumpin-Like-Mad-Cool-Cats-Hip-Chicks-Non-Stop-Dancin

Edited May 23, 2022 by Jim Duckworth
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