Stonewall15 Posted March 17, 2019 Report Posted March 17, 2019 Looking for the following 10-inch Dale Records label LPs: 1. LP-21 Stan Getz Quintet 2. LP-22 Paul Quinechette Quintet 3. LP-23 Beryl Booker and Her Piano 4. LP-24 Wardell Gray and John Hardee Quartets 5. LP-25 Billie Holiday and Stan Getz Quote
chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez Posted March 18, 2019 Report Posted March 18, 2019 good god. never seen this before- is that unusual, i probably should of known about it, i know about Rex......whats the story with it? is it a subsidary of a different label Quote
JSngry Posted March 18, 2019 Report Posted March 18, 2019 They appear to be Bob Shad related. Mostly material from the Sittin' In/Jax labels, although that Getz/Billie thing, I don't know where that one began life. Quote
JSngry Posted March 18, 2019 Report Posted March 18, 2019 https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/paul-quinichette-dale-22-gorgeous-10-128921270 The Birdland Quintet / Paul Quinichette Quintet Paul Quinichette as Vice Prez, tenor sax; Kenny Drew, piano; Freddie Green, guitar; Gene Ramey, bass; Gus Johnson, drums. NYC, December 8, 1952 4005 You Belong To Me Jax 5001; Dale EP 204, LP 22; Xanadu 208; Mainstream MDCD 722 4006 Green Is Blue - 4007-? Birdland Jump (alternate take) Mainstream MDCD 722 4007 Birdland Jump Jax 5005; Dale EP 204, LP 22; Mainstream 56025, MDCD 722; Xanadu 208 4008 Sleepy Time Gal Jax 5005; Dale EP 204, LP 22; Mainstream 56025; Xanadu 208 * Xanadu 208 Frankie Socolow, John Hardee, Eddie "Lockjaw" Davis, Paul Quinichette - Bebop Revisited, Vol. 6 * Mainstream 56025, S/6025; Vogue (F) INT 40019; Mainstream MRL 364; America (F) 30 AM 6159 Stan Getz - A Look At Yesterday * Mainstream MDCD 722 Stan Getz, Paul Quinichette, Wardell Gray - A Look At Yesterday * Dale LP 22 Paul Quinichette * Dale EP 204 Paul Quinichette * Jax 5001 The Birdland Quintet - You Belong To Me / Green Is Blue * Jax 5005 The Birdland Quintet - Birdland Jump / Sleepy Time Gal Quote
JSngry Posted March 18, 2019 Report Posted March 18, 2019 https://www.discogs.com/Beryl-Booker-And-Her-Piano-Beryl-Booker/release/12411330 Quote
hopkins Posted Saturday at 09:57 PM Report Posted Saturday at 09:57 PM I have the "Paul Quinechette Quintet" (notice the typo on his name) Dale EP 204, which is in fact a 45 rpm 7". I purchased on ebay. Great music. It has all been re-issued by Fresh Sound Records. What is the story of "Dale Records"? Quote
JSngry Posted Sunday at 12:32 AM Report Posted Sunday at 12:32 AM The Billie/Getz thing is a live recording from Storyville. Quote
Chuck Nessa Posted Sunday at 12:37 AM Report Posted Sunday at 12:37 AM I used to have a copy of that. Quote
JSngry Posted Sunday at 12:42 AM Report Posted Sunday at 12:42 AM 2 hours ago, hopkins said: What is the story of "Dale Records"? Dale was a Morty Shad label. He was Bob Shad's brother. Quote
JSngry Posted Sunday at 01:09 AM Report Posted Sunday at 01:09 AM 30 minutes ago, Chuck Nessa said: I used to have a copy of that. I have this: Quote
romualdo Posted Sunday at 05:59 AM Report Posted Sunday at 05:59 AM 5 hours ago, JSngry said: The Billie/Getz thing is a live recording from Storyville. All of the tracks (8)(Storyville Oct/Nov 51), from this 10" (& the 2 EPs, #205/206) were released on the Billie Holiday ESP 4CD set "Rare Live Recordings 1934-59". Actually, 15 tracks from this location & similar time period were released in this set. BTW, Stan only plays on 3 tracks. Quote
hopkins Posted Sunday at 09:40 AM Report Posted Sunday at 09:40 AM 8 hours ago, JSngry said: Dale was a Morty Shad label. He was Bob Shad's brother. Thanks. I did not find a discogs entry for the Quinichette record (will add it) but the label is there with that same info. https://www.discogs.com/label/618261-Dale-2?redirected=true&page=1 The record states that it was recorded using "cyclophonic hi-fidelity margin control equipment"... Quote
romualdo Posted Monday at 01:48 AM Report Posted Monday at 01:48 AM (edited) 16 hours ago, hopkins said: Thanks. I did not find a discogs entry for the Quinichette record (will add it) but the label is there with that same info. https://www.discogs.com/label/618261-Dale-2?redirected=true&page=1 The record states that it was recorded using "cyclophonic hi-fidelity margin control equipment"... I don't think the Quinichette Dale 10" (LP-22) was ever released though half of the material was released on Dale EP-204 https://www.ebay.com/itm/353479182354 Edited Monday at 02:12 AM by romualdo Quote
romualdo Posted Monday at 03:34 AM Report Posted Monday at 03:34 AM (edited) 2 hours ago, romualdo said: I don't think the Quinichette Dale 10" (LP-22) was ever released though half of the material was released on Dale EP-204 https://www.ebay.com/itm/353479182354 Looks like I was wrong with the 10" LP - found copies online (has 7 tracks) https://www.popsike.com/Paul-Quinichette-Quartet-with-Kenny-Drew-DALE-LP-2210/161703113618.html https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/paul-quinichette-dale-22-gorgeous-10-128921270 Edited Monday at 03:59 AM by romualdo Quote
Daniel A Posted Monday at 02:37 PM Report Posted Monday at 02:37 PM In any case, new entries should only be submitted to Discogs with a copy in hand. That being said, I know that adherence to this rule is deficient. Quote
romualdo Posted Monday at 11:37 PM Report Posted Monday at 11:37 PM Here's the 7" EP list - from the back cover of a Dale EP EP's 200/201 made up 10" LP 21 EP's 202/203 made up 10" LP 23 EP 204 made up 10" LP 22 (only 4 tracks) but each track was divided into parts 1 & 2 (ie double the length) for the LP version EP's 205/206 made up 10" LP 25 EP's 208/209 made up 10" LP 24 (Wardell Gray/John Hardee) Did EP 207 (Al Haig Trio) ever make it to 10"? Quote
mikeweil Posted Monday at 11:57 PM Report Posted Monday at 11:57 PM Paul Quinichette Quintet : Paul Quinichette (ts) Kenny Drew (p) Freddie Green (g) Gene Ramey (b) Gus Johnson (d) New York, December, 1952 4005-1 Green's blues [Green is blue] Dale EP204, Jax 5001, Mainstream MDCD722 [CD], DCC Compact Classics GZS-1085 [CD] 4005-2 alt Green's blues [Green is blue] Ocium (Sp)OCM0029 [CD] 4006-1 You belong to me Dale EP204, Jax 5001, Mainstream MDCD722 [CD], DCC Compact Classics GZS-1085 [CD] 4006-2 alt You belong to me (!) Ocium (Sp)OCM0029 [CD] 4007-1 Birdland jump (*) Dale EP204, Mainstream MRL364, MDCD722 [CD], DCC Compact Classics GZS-1085 [CD] 4007-2 alt Birdland jump Mainstream MDCD722 [CD], Ocium (Sp)OCM0029 [CD] 4008-1 Sleepy time gal (*) Dale EP204, Mainstream MRL364 4008-2 alt Sleepy time gal (!) Ocium (Sp)OCM0029 [CD] Note: All titles from Dale EP204 also on Dale LP22. Jax 5001 as by "Birdland Quintet". Mainstream MRL364 titled "Yesterday"; rest of LP by others. Mainstream MDCD722 [CD] titled "Stan Getz - A look at yesterday"; rest of CD by Stan Getz, Wardell Gray, John Hardee. (*) These two titles also on Mainstream 56025 titled "A look at yesterday"; rest of LP by others. (*) These two titles also on Mainstream (E)MRL5007 titled "Yesterday"; rest of LP by others. All titles, except (!), also on Fresh Sound (Sp)FSRCD1150 [CD]. All titles from Dale EP204 also on Xanadu 208 titled "Bebop revisited, Vol. 6"; rest of LP by Frank Socolow, John Hardee, Eddie "Lockjaw" Davis. All titles from Dale EP204 also on EPM Musique (F)FDC5170 [CD] titled "6 classic tenors"; rest of CD by others. All titles from Dale EP204 also on Blue Moon (Sp)BMCD1012 [CD]. All above titles also on Ocium (Sp)OCM0029 [CD]; alt takes incorrectly listed as "part 2" on this CD. Quote
romualdo Posted yesterday at 12:04 AM Report Posted yesterday at 12:04 AM (edited) 27 minutes ago, mikeweil said: Paul Quinichette Quintet : Paul Quinichette (ts) Kenny Drew (p) Freddie Green (g) Gene Ramey (b) Gus Johnson (d) New York, December, 1952 4005-1 Green's blues [Green is blue] Dale EP204, Jax 5001, Mainstream MDCD722 [CD], DCC Compact Classics GZS-1085 [CD] 4005-2 alt Green's blues [Green is blue] Ocium (Sp)OCM0029 [CD] 4006-1 You belong to me Dale EP204, Jax 5001, Mainstream MDCD722 [CD], DCC Compact Classics GZS-1085 [CD] 4006-2 alt You belong to me (!) Ocium (Sp)OCM0029 [CD] 4007-1 Birdland jump (*) Dale EP204, Mainstream MRL364, MDCD722 [CD], DCC Compact Classics GZS-1085 [CD] 4007-2 alt Birdland jump Mainstream MDCD722 [CD], Ocium (Sp)OCM0029 [CD] 4008-1 Sleepy time gal (*) Dale EP204, Mainstream MRL364 4008-2 alt Sleepy time gal (!) Ocium (Sp)OCM0029 [CD] Note: All titles from Dale EP204 also on Dale LP22. Jax 5001 as by "Birdland Quintet". Mainstream MRL364 titled "Yesterday"; rest of LP by others. Mainstream MDCD722 [CD] titled "Stan Getz - A look at yesterday"; rest of CD by Stan Getz, Wardell Gray, John Hardee. (*) These two titles also on Mainstream 56025 titled "A look at yesterday"; rest of LP by others. (*) These two titles also on Mainstream (E)MRL5007 titled "Yesterday"; rest of LP by others. All titles, except (!), also on Fresh Sound (Sp)FSRCD1150 [CD]. All titles from Dale EP204 also on Xanadu 208 titled "Bebop revisited, Vol. 6"; rest of LP by Frank Socolow, John Hardee, Eddie "Lockjaw" Davis. All titles from Dale EP204 also on EPM Musique (F)FDC5170 [CD] titled "6 classic tenors"; rest of CD by others. All titles from Dale EP204 also on Blue Moon (Sp)BMCD1012 [CD]. All above titles also on Ocium (Sp)OCM0029 [CD]; alt takes incorrectly listed as "part 2" on this CD. I've seen this previously & wonder if those alts are actually the Parts 1 & 2 from the 10" LP ie the alt is part 2 for the LP - just a guess, otherwise the 10" would be a very short (EP size) recording - the 10" LP actually has 7 tracks according to an online sale description Here's another version of this session The Birdland Quintet / Paul Quinichette Quintet Paul Quinichette as Vice Prez, tenor sax; Kenny Drew, piano; Freddie Green, guitar; Gene Ramey, bass; Gus Johnson, drums. NYC, December 8, 1952 4005 You Belong To Me Jax 5001; Dale EP 204, LP 22; Xanadu 208; Mainstream MDCD 722 4006 Green Is Blue - 4007-? Birdland Jump (alternate take) Mainstream MDCD 722 4007 Birdland Jump Jax 5005; Dale EP 204, LP 22; Mainstream 56025, MDCD 722; Xanadu 208 4008 Sleepy Time Gal Jax 5005; Dale EP 204, LP 22; Mainstream 56025; Xanadu 208 * Xanadu 208 Frankie Socolow, John Hardee, Eddie "Lockjaw" Davis, Paul Quinichette - Bebop Revisited Vol. 6 1986 * Mainstream 56025, S/6025 Stan Getz - A Look At Yesterday 1965 = Vogue (F) INT 40019 - = Mainstream MRL 364 - 1972 = America (F) AM 6159 Stan Getz, Gerry Mulligan, Wardell Gray, Dave Lambert, Benny Green, Allen Eager - Yesterday 1981 * Mainstream MDCD 722 Stan Getz, Paul Quinichette, Wardell Gray - A Look At Yesterday 1991 * Dale LP 22 Paul Quinichette * Dale EP 204 Paul Quinichette * Jax 5001 The Birdland Quintet - You Belong To Me / Green Is Blue * Jax 5005 The Birdland Quintet - Birdland Jump / Sleepy Time Gal Edited yesterday at 12:26 AM by romualdo Quote
JSngry Posted 23 hours ago Report Posted 23 hours ago Paul Q was recording as a leader for Mercury/Emarcy (Bob Shad) and then this one session pops up on his brother's label? And then one track ends up on a Mainstream record with a bunch of B. Shad stuff from the Sittin' In With label? Did Bob Shad really have a brother, and if so, was his name really Sonny Lester? Quote
mikeweil Posted 13 hours ago Report Posted 13 hours ago The only way to answer questions about take identities would be audible comparsion of all the "takes". But I don't think any collector has all these releases. The Ocium CD is the only one with all "takes". https://www.discogs.com/release/15080826-Paul-Quinichette-PQ-Special p.s. track timings would be very helpful to identify takes, but most discographers are too lazy to list them. That's another proof most web discographers copy and paste instead of researching and collecting and listening to the records. Quote
romualdo Posted 11 hours ago Report Posted 11 hours ago (edited) 1 hour ago, mikeweil said: The only way to answer questions about take identities would be audible comparsion of all the "takes". But I don't think any collector has all these releases. The Ocium CD is the only one with all "takes". https://www.discogs.com/release/15080826-Paul-Quinichette-PQ-Special p.s. track timings would be very helpful to identify takes, but most discographers are too lazy to list them. That's another proof most web discographers copy and paste instead of researching and collecting and listening to the records. part of the rear of that CD showing the Dale releases 4 titles with 2 parts each - i presume that would have been the tracks from the 10" version but which of these were on the EP - all part I's? (as you said Mike, you'd need to listen). Is part 2 an alternate take of part 1 as some discographies suggest or are they continuations from part 1? Edited 11 hours ago by romualdo Quote
mikeweil Posted 39 minutes ago Report Posted 39 minutes ago (edited) 11 hours ago, romualdo said: Is part 2 an alternate take of part 1 as some discographies suggest or are they continuations from part 1? I just listened to them on the Ocium CD. Definitely different takes of the same tunes, sometimes with slightly different tempos, different solos and piano intros. I always wondered why they were named "part". Edited 38 minutes ago by mikeweil Quote
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