jazzbo Posted March 10, 2019 Report Share Posted March 10, 2019 Some May, though I have not bought any that I also have in the SHM-CD series that I can compare. Some definitely are NOT. For example the Hutcherson and McLean seem to use older US masterings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pim Posted March 10, 2019 Report Share Posted March 10, 2019 Listening to the Hutcherson right now and I have to say: it sounds amazing. Very warm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted March 10, 2019 Report Share Posted March 10, 2019 Cool. Sounds pretty much like the previous US version to me. . . and not as good as I had hoped it might. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pim Posted March 10, 2019 Report Share Posted March 10, 2019 Ok. I never heard the American version and I am not really an audiophile. I’m satisfied 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Posted March 10, 2019 Report Share Posted March 10, 2019 (edited) Maybe I’m getting old or jaded but I have the mini lp version of Blue Train, which doesn’t have the alternates of Blue Train or Lazy Bird, and that’s fine with me. Edited March 10, 2019 by Brad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aftab Posted March 11, 2019 Author Report Share Posted March 11, 2019 I edited my first post to add the info re: batch 4. I think I’ll be picking up Fancy Free and the 2 Elvins. Maybe upgrade my Ornette McMaster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felser Posted March 11, 2019 Report Share Posted March 11, 2019 17 hours ago, Brad said: Maybe I’m getting old or jaded but I have the mini lp version of Blue Train, which doesn’t have the alternates of Blue Train or Lazy Bird, and that’s fine with me. We're all getting old. I don't think it's a sign of jaded to not $ up for every alternate take in existence. And those alternate takes are readily available on the much cheaper Ultimate (McMaster) and RVG editions. The Blue Train alternate is 46 seconds shorter than the released version, the Lazy Bird alternate is all of 5 seconds longer than the released version. Not exactly massive re-thinkings of the songs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin V Posted March 11, 2019 Report Share Posted March 11, 2019 14 minutes ago, felser said: We're all getting old. I don't think it's a sign of jaded to not $ up for every alternate take in existence. And those alternate takes are readily available on the much cheaper Ultimate (McMaster) and RVG editions. The Blue Train alternate is 46 seconds shorter than the released version, the Lazy Bird alternate is all of 5 seconds longer than the released version. Not exactly massive re-thinkings of the songs. The 80 Works reissue has a 2nd alternate of 'Blue Train' not available on the RVG or Ultimate reissues. Blue Train is an album I never got around to acquiring, probably due to assuming it'd always be readily available due to it being Trane and on Blue Note, so it is worth it to me to get the complete version. As for the similar song lengths indicating that the alternates aren't massive re-workings, that doesn't have much to do with it. If the masters and alternates are approximately the same tempo and have solos of x amount of choruses, you'd expect them to be of similar lengths. Were the masters later takes that were more polished, crystallized versions of ideas from earlier, alternate takes? Even if the solos aren't markedly different, part of the allure of alternates is hearing the process that led to the master take. However, sometimes takes with excellent solos get scrapped in favor of the take with the cleaner ensemble work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted March 11, 2019 Report Share Posted March 11, 2019 There's an alternate or two from the Blue Trane sessions that are still unreleased, iirc. None are game changers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shrdlu Posted March 12, 2019 Report Share Posted March 12, 2019 One thing that this batch shows, is that the previously unissued tracks that were added to Japanese Blue Note issues from 2012 onward are kept for the later CD issues, at least in some cases. It would be minging not to retain these. At the risk of cluttering the thread up, I will add my latest list of all the "new" tracks. The CD Japan site does not list the CD numbers, but Amazon Japan has high-resolution pictures that do show them. BLUE NOTE BONUS TRACKS THAT APPEARED NOWHERE ELSE WHEN FIRST RELEASED IN JAPAN Each issue contains the already existing CD bonus tracks as well. Lou Donaldson – Midnight Sun (TOCJ-50281, 2012) June 22, 1960 Add take 15 Candy (alt) (6:08) The Three Sounds - Here We Come (UCCQ-5091, 2015) Add take 14 The Girl Next Door (12/13/60) (4:36) take 18 This Is The Way 'Tis (12/13/60) (4:26) These are also on the 2003 JRVG CD, TOCJ-9527. The Three Sounds - Hey There (UCCQ-5096, 2015) August 13, 1961 Add tk. 32 Billy Boy (4:15) The Three Sounds - Black Orchid (UCCQ-5104, 2015) Add tk. 5 Over The Rainbow (3/7/62) NOTE: This track is not on the 1998 U.S. CD. Hank Mobley – Third Season (TOCJ 50296, 2012) February 24, 1967 Add take 14 Don’t Cry, Just Sigh (alt) (6:49) JOHN COLTRANE - BLUE TRAIN (TYCJ-81001, 2013) September 15, 1957 Add tk.7 Blue Train (alt) (7:09) (also on blue ray disk) ERIC DOLPHY - OUT TO LUNCH (TYCJ-81013, 2013, UCCU-5669, 2016, UCCQ-9432, 2019) February 25, 1964 Add Tk. 5 Hat And Beard (alt) (8:34) Tk. 11 Something Sweet, Something Tender (alt) (5:44) ART BLAKEY - MOANIN’ (TYCJ-81005, 2013, UCCQ-9203, 2016, UCCU-8009, 2017, UCCQ-9414, 2019) October 30, 1958 Tk. 18 Blues March (alt) (6:02) CANNONBALL ADDERLEY - SOMETHIN’ ELSE (TOCJ 8502, 2009, TYCJ-81002, 2013, UCCU-5655, 2016, UCCU-8008, 2017, UCCQ-9412, 2019) March 9, 1958 Tk. 1 Autumn Leaves (alt) (9:33) WAYNE SHORTER - SPEAK NO EVIL (TYCJ-81019, 2013, UCCU-5668, 2016) December 24, 1964 Add Tk. 1 Witch Hunt (alt) (6:52) Tk, 21 Fe Fi Fo Fum (alt) (5:59) JOE HENDERSON – MODE FOR JOE (UCCQ-5120, 2015) – January 27, 1966 Add Tk. 20 Mode For Joe (alt) (9:29) JOHN PATTON – BLUE JOHN (UCCQ-5008, 2014) July 11 & August 2, 1963 From July session Tk. 15 Jean de Fleur (9:07) Tk. 32 I Miss You So (NOT I Need You So) (4:50) From August session Tk. 26 Chunky Cheeks (NOT Chunky Chicks) (5:46) Tk. 45 Untitled Patton Tune (8:34) Tk. 62 Kinda Slick (5:06) LOU DONALDSON – HERE ‘TIS (UCCQ-5088, 2014, or later) January 23, 1961 Add tk 17 Blues No. 4 (10:11) HANK MOBLEY - WORKOUT (UCCQ-5038, 2014) March 26, 1961 Add take 19 Three Coins In The Fountain (alt) (4:49) (WITH GUITAR) LARRY YOUNG – UNITY (UCCQ-5049, 2014) November 10, 1965 Add Tk. 3 If (first alt) (6:28) Tk. 4 If (second alt) (5:43) Tk. 12 Beyond All Limits (alt) (6:04) Tk. 19 The Moontrane (alt) (6:40) STANLEY TURRENTINE – HUSTLIN’ (UCCQ-5045, 2014) January 24, 1964 Add Tk. 12 Trouble No. 2 (alt take) (7:33) ART BLAKEY Free For All (UCCQ-5047, 2014, UCCQ-9439, 2019) February 10, 1964 Add Tk.11 FREE FOR ALL (alt) (8:27) Note: The drum solo from take 11 was used in the master take 16. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gould Posted March 12, 2019 Report Share Posted March 12, 2019 ADD: Lou Donaldson, Say it Loud TYCJ-81062 Brother Soul (alt) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin V Posted March 12, 2019 Report Share Posted March 12, 2019 I'm glad to see that the ones I thought might be included in the 4th batch were. I just picked up Here 'Tis recently. Fans of Donaldson and Willette shouldn't miss that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rooster_Ties Posted March 12, 2019 Report Share Posted March 12, 2019 (edited) 10 hours ago, Shrdlu said: JOE HENDERSON – MODE FOR JOE (UCCQ-5120, 2015) – January 27, 1966 Add Tk. 20 Mode For Joe (alt) (9:29) Apart from the more obvious 'new' material of great merit (the extra Out To Lunch and Unity material especially, which I think are worth their weight in gold), I wanted to highlight this extra alternate of "Mode For Joe" that I think has only ever been issued on the 2015 SHM-CD issue of this title. https://www.discogs.com/Joe-Henderson-Mode-For-Joe/release/11227057 Maybe not quite as 'revelatory' as the Dolphy and Young bonus tracks, I think this alt of the title track for Mode For Joe is just as lovely as lovely can be. It's not a very bombastic track, and feels of being more 'through-composed' even -- but the alt is really *dramatically* different in the details (every nook and cranny of every solo instrument line is quite different from the released version), even if the overall effect is similar. Those who know this album backwards and forwards (as I do, not the least of which being because it was one of the very first four (4) jazz albums I ever owned, and listened to extensively), should really enjoy this particular extra track. Highly recommended, if it ever comes out again. Edited March 13, 2019 by Rooster_Ties Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shrdlu Posted March 13, 2019 Report Share Posted March 13, 2019 I must add hearty agreement with Rooster's post. It has been exciting to hear all these many "new" tracks, but the extra take of "Mode For Joe" is worth more to me than the total of all the other previously unissued tracks put together. Like Rooster, I have known the original album for decades, and it is very special to me. The originally issued take of that track is superbly atmospheric, especially during Ron Carter's solo. When I heard that there is an extra (later) take, I was really keen to hear it. It is, as Rooster said, very different from the first attempt. Ha ha, the players had not memorized the first take. Hearing that new take has been one of the most enjoyable experiences of the last few months. It isn't right that it isn't readily available. Lobby Don Was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertrand Posted December 14, 2020 Report Share Posted December 14, 2020 These will never come out in the US since the US is doing vinyl-only. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertrand Posted December 15, 2020 Report Share Posted December 15, 2020 HANK MOBLEY - WORKOUT (UCCQ-5038, 2014) March 26, 1961 Add take 19 Three Coins In The Fountain (alt) (4:49) (WITH GUITAR) Was this in the Mobley Mosaic set? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjzee Posted December 15, 2020 Report Share Posted December 15, 2020 7 minutes ago, bertrand said: HANK MOBLEY - WORKOUT (UCCQ-5038, 2014) March 26, 1961 Add take 19 Three Coins In The Fountain (alt) (4:49) (WITH GUITAR) Was this in the Mobley Mosaic set? Workout wasn't included in the Mosaic box. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertrand Posted December 15, 2020 Report Share Posted December 15, 2020 42 minutes ago, mjzee said: Workout wasn't included in the Mosaic box. Oh, it was no all the sixties dates? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dub Modal Posted December 15, 2020 Report Share Posted December 15, 2020 8 hours ago, bertrand said: Oh, it was no all the sixties dates? No, that 60s set starts with his material from '63. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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