Kevin Bresnahan Posted August 19, 2019 Report Share Posted August 19, 2019 1 hour ago, erwbol said: A lot of hoffmanite TT belts have started failing simultaneously then. Ha ha ha ha ha... yes, this would be true. There are a lot of people hearing this. BTW - both of those sound sample links I sent were from two different people with the same Tone Poet LP. I think the first one sounds much worse, both with regards to the warble as well as the sound. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erwbol Posted August 19, 2019 Report Share Posted August 19, 2019 12 minutes ago, bresna said: BTW - both of those sound sample links I sent were from two different people with the same Tone Poet LP. I think the first one sounds much worse, both with regards to the warble as well as the sound. I thought so too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted August 19, 2019 Report Share Posted August 19, 2019 Sigh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Bresnahan Posted August 19, 2019 Report Share Posted August 19, 2019 3 minutes ago, Chuck Nessa said: Sigh. I take it that means that you didn't hear anything weird in those sound samples? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erwbol Posted August 19, 2019 Report Share Posted August 19, 2019 Of course not. Chuck just replaced his trouser belt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aftab Posted August 20, 2019 Report Share Posted August 20, 2019 (edited) Yeah, unfortunately I hear it too. I just compared it to the 2 different masterings on Spotify, and they sound better with no weird warble/phasing. My frustration is these Tone Poets were advertised as the definitive version of these recordings (sorry, I think I've said this before). I guess I have a different idea of what that means than Blue Note/RTI does unfortunately. I'll probably pick up the 2 or 3 remaining titles I'm interested in though - because I can't afford original pressings of these tiles and they are pretty good. I saw an 'Introducing Kenny Burrell' original for $950 at a shop. $950?!?! And it sold, too. Out of hand IMO... My other thought - if you mess up in a production, and someone (or a lot of someones) call(s) you on it, just admit it and move on. Denying it kind of makes you look stand-offish or ignorant. I don't know what happened or where in the process it happened, but something's not right with Black Fire. An example - the last album by the rock band Dream Theater, the Astonishing, had 2 blatant production errors and the band was called out on it online. John Petrucci, the guitar player/producer, claimed he didn't hear anything and it sounded fine to him. Ummmmm...just admit something got messed up, now it's a piece of history, and move on. Sorry for the ramble. BN75 LPs anyone...? Edited August 20, 2019 by Aftab added paragraph Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gdgray Posted August 21, 2019 Report Share Posted August 21, 2019 Yeah I checked Hoffman Tone Poet Blog the other day to see what was coming up. Lots of useless bickering. I thought of Nicholson film quote “What if this is as good as it gets.” Not a good look for the Vinyl community, just crazy. My copy Of Black Fire sounds good on my system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B. Clugston Posted August 28, 2019 Report Share Posted August 28, 2019 I picked up the Tone Poet Black Fire the other day and my copy indeed has the warbling issue. It's really noticeable from the title track on. Not sure if it's a worn master tape or a post-mastering screw-up or what, but it is reallyweird. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted August 28, 2019 Report Share Posted August 28, 2019 That's not happening on the great sounding new cd reissue from Japan (but then they are likely using a different tape?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Bresnahan Posted August 28, 2019 Report Share Posted August 28, 2019 I sent Michael Cuscuna the links to the sound samples. His response? "The piano is a well-tempered instrument. Not even Monk could bend notes or use vibrato." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted August 28, 2019 Report Share Posted August 28, 2019 Monk definitely could create the illusion of bending a note. But vibrato? Nope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez Posted August 29, 2019 Report Share Posted August 29, 2019 I havent been following that thread- but Ill tell you this- i dumped by Music Matters "Dippin'" stereo in favor of the NY USA Mono. At first I appriciated the clarity, but after a while it seemed like what i thought was clarity actually seemed like treble boost, but I dont know if thats correct. But the mono original sounded way more natural, compressed or not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez Posted August 29, 2019 Report Share Posted August 29, 2019 I posted on there about Cornbread- what about you guys, have you heard it- compared to the original. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidewinder Posted August 29, 2019 Report Share Posted August 29, 2019 12 hours ago, chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez said: I havent been following that thread- but Ill tell you this- i dumped by Music Matters "Dippin'" stereo in favor of the NY USA Mono. At first I appriciated the clarity, but after a while it seemed like what i thought was clarity actually seemed like treble boost, but I dont know if thats correct. But the mono original sounded way more natural, compressed or not The ‘Dippin’’ mono NY USA is a really nice sounding LP. Bags of punch ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez Posted August 29, 2019 Report Share Posted August 29, 2019 yy!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez Posted August 29, 2019 Report Share Posted August 29, 2019 (edited) Heres the deal, I am not diving into this new era of reissues, Ill get the Cornbread only if one of my main dawgs on here actually speificcally recomendeds it over a NY USA. One guy on hoffman said yyyy its way better but i didnt even examine his stereo profile i dont know if he knows what hes talkin about for sure......it always sounded like a more lo-fi sounding date to me, i mean ive been listening to it for years- is the new one really a HQ transfer and not treble boost city? oh and Minor Move would be nice too, never seen that on lp also this is probably what don was was talking about when he said to me re: blue note "stay tuned" Edited August 29, 2019 by chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Bresnahan Posted August 29, 2019 Report Share Posted August 29, 2019 "Minor Move" is coming out in the Tone Poet series in October. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidewinder Posted August 29, 2019 Report Share Posted August 29, 2019 (edited) I’ll have to dig my NY USA (Liberty era) mono ‘Cornbread’ out. Recall it sounding fine - the main gripe I have with that issue is that all copies I have ever seen seem to have sleeves cut at an angle from perpendicular. They must have all been done by a trainee on Friday afternoon.. Edited August 29, 2019 by sidewinder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Posted August 29, 2019 Report Share Posted August 29, 2019 1 hour ago, bresna said: "Minor Move" is coming out in the Tone Poet series in October. Although I just punished a new cartridge, I’m not sure I see the need to replace the CDs in that I have, which are mostly Japanese anyway. I think the Henderson I have is from the late 80s or 90s so that might be a possibility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Bresnahan Posted August 29, 2019 Report Share Posted August 29, 2019 19 hours ago, chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez said: I posted on there about Cornbread- what about you guys, have you heard it- compared to the original. I have the Tone Poet and a 70's era UA Van Gelder LP of this. I haven't gotten around to comparing the two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Bresnahan Posted August 30, 2019 Report Share Posted August 30, 2019 I'm spinning "Introducing Kenny Burrell" right now and it is indeed a very nice sounding LP. The mono is so good, I had to check to make sure I didn't have my center channel speaker playing! Almost an inch of dead wax on both sides though, which looks weird. Makes me wonder if this could have been even more dynamic if cut with more space between the grooves. BTW - before anyone gets on my case about this, I wrote an experienced LP cutter about this a few weeks back and he said he liked to keep the dead wax area as small as possible because the further apart you made the grooves, the less of chance of a skip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidewinder Posted August 30, 2019 Report Share Posted August 30, 2019 (edited) Lots of traffic on the Hoffman Forum reporting that side 2 of ‘Cornbread’ has the ‘Black Fire’ issue. I’m tempted with that Burrell. Have the session on a Doubletime CD so will have to remind myself. Edited August 30, 2019 by sidewinder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aftab Posted August 30, 2019 Report Share Posted August 30, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, sidewinder said: Lots of traffic on the Hoffman Forum reporting that side 2 of ‘Cornbread’ has the ‘Black Fire’ issue. Just popped over there and heard some sound samples - that does not sound good at all! Here's the Tone Poet sample that was posted - Herbie's solo... Ceora Edited August 30, 2019 by Aftab Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidewinder Posted August 30, 2019 Report Share Posted August 30, 2019 (edited) Don’t have the original ‘Cornbread’ at hand but was able to spin the track on the blue label ‘Lee Morgan Memorial Album’ and Herbie’s intro sounds OK. To my mind though, that intro always did have a bit of a mushy sonic to it. Edited August 30, 2019 by sidewinder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted August 30, 2019 Report Share Posted August 30, 2019 You guys with good hi-fi record players are missing out on all the fun! Cornbread's a motherfucker! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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