jlhoots Posted January 2, 2019 Report Share Posted January 2, 2019 Marsella's CD Buer on Tzadik is also excellent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rooster_Ties Posted May 4, 2019 Report Share Posted May 4, 2019 So by now, does everyone here have this CD of Marsella's trio's tribute to Hasaan? If not, what are you waiting for? A phenomenal album, in tribute to a phenomenal album -- what's not to love? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted May 4, 2019 Report Share Posted May 4, 2019 What am I waiting for? Other than a desire to hear it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlhoots Posted May 4, 2019 Report Share Posted May 4, 2019 4 hours ago, JSngry said: What am I waiting for? Other than a desire to hear it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rooster_Ties Posted September 14, 2020 Report Share Posted September 14, 2020 Full album is now on YouTube (a single one-hour+ upload). All the individual tracks/tunes are indexed, and if you pop out to YouTube in your browser, you can skip around from track to track, like a CD. https://youtu.be/Mh425vohP8E Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertrand Posted September 14, 2020 Report Share Posted September 14, 2020 (edited) I am still wondering where the tune from the lost session came from. I am starting to question some of the conventional wisdom regarding the Atlantic Fire. Edited September 14, 2020 by bertrand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niko Posted September 14, 2020 Report Share Posted September 14, 2020 this here looks like it might be part of the answer: https://archives.libraries.rutgers.edu/repositories/6/resources/349 " This collection consists of nine audio tape reels. There are six 3 1/4-inch reels and three 7-inch reels. These include Alan Sukoenig's original recordings of live peformances by John Coltrane, Hasaan Ibn Ali, and Elmo Hope. Also included are recorded copies Sukoenig made of unissued Ibn Ali recordings from 1962 and a recorded interview of Thelonious Monk conducted at Pep's Lounge in Philadelphia by Sukoenig and Gerry Barrish in 1960. The Coltrane recordings comprise the saxophonist's famous 1963 performances at The Showboat in Philadelphia, containing the only known recording of Coltrane playing piano. The Ibn Ali recordings include 1964 performances at the University of Pennsylvania; 1965 recordings in New York City; and other unidentified recordings. The Elmo Hope recordings include 1964 performances at the West-Side YMCA Auditorium in New York City. The collection also contains recordings by saxophonist David Shier and Kenny Barron circa 1962. " Alan Sukoenig is also mentioned earlier in this thread as one of the producers of the Ibn Ali box and he's apparently the mastermind behind the Ibn Ali wiki entry https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:HomageToDonByas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soulpope Posted September 14, 2020 Report Share Posted September 14, 2020 45 minutes ago, Niko said: this here looks like it might be part of the answer: https://archives.libraries.rutgers.edu/repositories/6/resources/349 " This collection consists of nine audio tape reels. There are six 3 1/4-inch reels and three 7-inch reels. These include Alan Sukoenig's original recordings of live peformances by John Coltrane, Hasaan Ibn Ali, and Elmo Hope. Also included are recorded copies Sukoenig made of unissued Ibn Ali recordings from 1962 and a recorded interview of Thelonious Monk conducted at Pep's Lounge in Philadelphia by Sukoenig and Gerry Barrish in 1960. The Coltrane recordings comprise the saxophonist's famous 1963 performances at The Showboat in Philadelphia, containing the only known recording of Coltrane playing piano. The Ibn Ali recordings include 1964 performances at the University of Pennsylvania; 1965 recordings in New York City; and other unidentified recordings. The Elmo Hope recordings include 1964 performances at the West-Side YMCA Auditorium in New York City. The collection also contains recordings by saxophonist David Shier and Kenny Barron circa 1962. " Alan Sukoenig is also mentioned earlier in this thread as one of the producers of the Ibn Ali box and he's apparently the mastermind behind the Ibn Ali wiki entry https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:HomageToDonByas Thnx for sharing .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niko Posted September 14, 2020 Report Share Posted September 14, 2020 The second Tony Fruscella Atlantic album got out as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.A.W. Posted September 14, 2020 Report Share Posted September 14, 2020 39 minutes ago, Niko said: The second Tony Fruscella Atlantic album got out as well Can't find anything. Do you have a link? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niko Posted September 14, 2020 Report Share Posted September 14, 2020 1 minute ago, J.A.W. said: Can't find anything. Do you have a link? Yes, this one https://www.freshsoundrecords.com/tony-fruscella-brew-moore-albums/5595-the-1954-unissued-atlantic-session.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.A.W. Posted September 14, 2020 Report Share Posted September 14, 2020 12 minutes ago, Niko said: Yes, this one https://www.freshsoundrecords.com/tony-fruscella-brew-moore-albums/5595-the-1954-unissued-atlantic-session.html Thanks. I'd seen that one, but was somehow under the impression there'd be another, licensed release. My mistake. On 4-5-2019 at 8:50 PM, Rooster_Ties said: So by now, does everyone here have this CD of Marsella's trio's tribute to Hasaan? If not, what are you waiting for? A phenomenal album, in tribute to a phenomenal album -- what's not to love? Just listened to the album on YouTube. Nice, but not quite my taste, and don't like the drums being so forward in the mix. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niko Posted September 14, 2020 Report Share Posted September 14, 2020 Sorry, no licensed release for Fruscella... just music that survived the fire... also, it doesn't feel like it was ever a finished album Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertrand Posted September 17, 2020 Report Share Posted September 17, 2020 I deleted an erroneous post because I misread the description of the material at Rutgers. The Atlantic session is from 1965, and the description does not in any way suggest there is a copy at Rutgers. I thought it was the 1962 sessions mentioned at Rutgers but then I saw the dates. Sorry about that. I am still curious about the Atlantic Fire and why some backups exist. Focusing on the Fruscella date: another thread suggested Ira Gitler had a copy, so I could see a scenario where that got to Jordi Pujol somehow. But here is the question this poses to me: HOW did Gitler get a copy? And what other guys in the know (journalists, producers and other misfits) might have other secret copies of allegedly lost Atlantic sessions? Bob Porter posted elsewhere that he had info and that some information existed but of course he won't share. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niko Posted September 17, 2020 Report Share Posted September 17, 2020 Regardless of 1965 vs 1962 being probably different sessions, it's easy to imagine that they have a tune or two in common Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertrand Posted September 19, 2020 Report Share Posted September 19, 2020 On 9/17/2020 at 5:32 PM, Niko said: Regardless of 1965 vs 1962 being probably different sessions, it's easy to imagine that they have a tune or two in common That is definitely a plausible explanation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomageToDonByas Posted December 15, 2020 Report Share Posted December 15, 2020 Finally, the lost Atlantic quartet album is being issued. See this morning's announcement by Omnivore Records. It contains a link to a trailer, where one can hear short snippets of two tracks, "Viceroy" followed by "Atlantic Ones." Release date is specified as March 5, 2021. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rooster_Ties Posted December 15, 2020 Report Share Posted December 15, 2020 1 hour ago, HomageToDonByas said: Finally, the lost Atlantic quartet album is being issued. See this morning's announcement by Omnivore Records. It contains a link to a trailer, where one can hear short snippets of two tracks, "Viceroy" followed by "Atlantic Ones." Release date is specified as March 5, 2021. Hello!! Good to have you back on the board! (And I think we have a friend in common, in Kansas City.) I’m so incredibly excited about this news, and March 5th can’t get here quick enough. Literally counting the days (only 81, as of today). Hey, since you can ID the 2 specific tune names in that trailer clip, what else can you tell us about this session? Like about how long is it? - including the 3 alternates. And/or is there anything else you can tell us about it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomageToDonByas Posted December 15, 2020 Report Share Posted December 15, 2020 26 minutes ago, Rooster_Ties said: Hello!! Good to have you back on the board! (And I think we have a friend in common, in Kansas City.) I’m so incredibly excited about this news, and March 5th can’t get here quick enough. Literally counting the days (only 81, as of today). Hey, since you can ID the 2 specific tune names in that trailer clip, what else can you tell us about this session? Like about how long is it? - including the 3 alternates. And/or is there anything else you can tell us about it? In total, including the 3 alternate takes, it's just a bit over an hour. Expect a somewhat different view of Hasaan from the one you got from the Max Roach Trio record. The restoration by Michael Graves is superb. The two takes of "True Train" are at surprisingly different tempi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rooster_Ties Posted December 15, 2020 Report Share Posted December 15, 2020 (edited) 18 minutes ago, HomageToDonByas said: In total, including the 3 alternate takes, it's just a bit over an hour. Expect a somewhat different view of Hasaan from the one you got from the Max Roach Trio record. The restoration by Michael Graves is superb. The two takes of "True Train" are at surprisingly different tempi. I assume the acetate is essentially contemporaneous to the 1965 session. But was the tape of it also from that era, or much later? — and how much later? (And was the tape used, because the acetates were lost? — or because they were essentially unusable??) And I presume, the tape was reel-to-reel? And was the source of the reel then presumably Odean? Many thanks for your insights on this, and anything else you’d care to share. Another question: is Odean on every track / every take? Or are there any piano-trio tracks (not unlike, perhaps, Andrew Hill’s Blackfire). Thanks again!! Edited December 15, 2020 by Rooster_Ties Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danasgoodstuff Posted December 15, 2020 Report Share Posted December 15, 2020 Wow! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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