felser Posted November 7, 2018 Report Share Posted November 7, 2018 Finished the master takes on the set, really happy with it (though I question the "jazz saw" solo on the last cut). Struck me from the package sleeves that all of the musicians involved passed away 2005 or earlier, and Brooks is the only one who saw his 61st birthday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlhoots Posted November 7, 2018 Report Share Posted November 7, 2018 My copy was finally shipped (with some other items). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Posted November 8, 2018 Report Share Posted November 8, 2018 Jazz Wax review: Charles Mingus in Detroit 1973 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Late Posted November 8, 2018 Report Share Posted November 8, 2018 Received my copy today. Have only made it through the first disc so far — and I think I'll keep listening to Disc I for a while before moving on! The sound is quite good. The music is more than good; renews my enthusiasm for Don Pullen in particular. Talk about a versatile player — not unlike Jaki Byard before him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted November 8, 2018 Report Share Posted November 8, 2018 Yeah, I had the Pullen/Byard parallel running too. Pullen is outstanding here (there, and everywhere). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Posted November 8, 2018 Report Share Posted November 8, 2018 (edited) I’m up to disc 3. C Jam Blues is awesome and although I’m not one who usually goes for long drum solos, Roy Brooks’ solo is terrific. I wonder if this set will have a residual effect of leading to more purchases of the Mingus Mosaic set. Edited November 8, 2018 by Brad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felser Posted November 8, 2018 Report Share Posted November 8, 2018 9 hours ago, JSngry said: Yeah, I had the Pullen/Byard parallel running too. Pullen is outstanding here (there, and everywhere). He seems different here than in the later, better known version of the group, more "conventional", yet less inclined to certain predictable tricks in his playing. both his periods are good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted November 9, 2018 Report Share Posted November 9, 2018 I hear Bud Spangler saying something along the lines of Don Pullen, who you might remember from some really great expe4imental music with Milford Graves...I read something similar a time or two in down beat revues at the time. Did that record get heard as much as it sounds like it might have, and how? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Stryker Posted November 9, 2018 Report Share Posted November 9, 2018 (edited) On 11/7/2018 at 4:02 PM, JSngry said: I don't mind Brooks, either. But I still miss Dannie. Nothing against Brooks. But I spend so long listening to so much Mingus=Dannie=Mingus that no matter how good anything else feels, I'll still miss Dannie. It's not rational, it's personal. Actually, it's rational. I love Roy -- I mean, he's a Detroiter after all. But Mingus has a sort of quirky time feel and it moves around a lot, and I think that, among other things, Dannie Richmond had a way of playing the beat that both pulled Mingus along and seemed to lock into the bass wherever it was and however it moved and made it sound steadier than it was. I don't think the hook up with Roy is nearly as consistent --maybe because Roy is a more conventional drummer in the sense of laying down a hard bop groove. Listen to "C Jam Blues" on this set; sounds like the beat is dragging. Don't anybody misunderstand. I LOVE Roy, but there are horses for courses, and Dannie was the perfect thoroughbred for Mingus. As I said earlier, I've got a piece on this set coming soon. I think it's being published tomorrow. I'll post a link when it's available. Edited November 9, 2018 by Mark Stryker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertrand Posted November 9, 2018 Report Share Posted November 9, 2018 Any thoughts on Joe Chambers with Mingus? Essentially it's the Mingus and Friends in concert set, as well as the last sessions on which Mingus does not actually play. Bertrand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Stryker Posted November 9, 2018 Report Share Posted November 9, 2018 20 minutes ago, bertrand said: Any thoughts on Joe Chambers with Mingus? Essentially it's the Mingus and Friends in concert set, as well as the last sessions on which Mingus does not actually play. Bertrand. Interesting question, but I don't know the "and Friends" set well enough to comment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted November 9, 2018 Report Share Posted November 9, 2018 On 11/7/2018 at 10:02 AM, Mark Stryker said: I have piece dropping on this set soon. (Actually, it's been ready for a week but there have been some issues at the other end of the process. Don't ask.) Re: the digital only version of "Pithecanthropus Erectus." I was told that Sue Mingus and the estate added this at the last possible second and insisted it be included. Production at that point was too far along to add it to the CDs. I can't believe it was "discovered" later than the other material, so -- and here I am speculating -- there must have been some communication issue between Sue and the producer or some issue that went sideways for this to land as it did Ok, looking at the overall physical presentation, I am feeling the love. If this is what happened to create the unfortunate situation with the stray track, some more I of the hurricane Sue, ok, all is forgiven. Just remember that possibility going forth, ok? On 9/6/2018 at 2:21 PM, JSngry said: I've yet to hear a Mingus/Roy Brooks collaboration that really caught fire, probably owing to Mingus's medicated state at the time, but what with Don Pullen & John Stubblefield, this sounds transitional enough that I'm in, yessir. Ok, this one catches fire. I still miss Dannie, but oh well. Stubblefield is interesting to hear here, he's very often George Coleman-ish...until he's not. And almost literal "transition" from Bobby Jones to George Adams. And Pullen...holy shit. 11 hours ago, bertrand said: Any thoughts on Joe Chambers with Mingus? Essentially it's the Mingus and Friends in concert set, as well as the last sessions on which Mingus does not actually play. Bertrand. Nothing there to really evaluate, imo. "planned events", both. I see no reason to think that it wouldn't have worked well though. But I'd still miss Dannie. Mingus without Dannie is kinda like Ellington without Hodges. Nothing wrong, plenty right, but still, objectively, missed. But am I remembering right, did Mingus actually have a big band active in NYC for at least a little while at the time? Was Chambers in that as well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kh1958 Posted November 9, 2018 Report Share Posted November 9, 2018 Joe Chambers was the drummer for the Mingus and Friends concert. I made the mistake of ordering the CD set from Bandcamp instead of amazon, and I still haven't received it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted November 9, 2018 Report Share Posted November 9, 2018 What was the book of conversations with Mingus in the early 70s and related commentary? Seems I remember something about a Mingus big band (not a jazz orchestra!) that was working club dates...was that to prep for the & Friends concert or just something that was happening anyway? Would Joe Chambers have been doing that gig, or was he just there for the recording at the concert? Yeah, this book: An excellent read, I thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertrand Posted November 9, 2018 Report Share Posted November 9, 2018 I am occasionally in touch with Joe, let's see what he might remember. No guarantees. Has anyone ever wondered who trumpeter Mike Davis on those last records is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted November 9, 2018 Report Share Posted November 9, 2018 I knew Mike Davis from UNT. He was a nice player and an even nicer person. No idea what became of him, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertrand Posted November 9, 2018 Report Share Posted November 9, 2018 You know him! Bags as we call him lives in the DC area. He is a member of the Bohemian Caverns Jazz Orchestra and is on their CDs. He rarely does leader dates, but I booked him for two at the Smithsonian. An octet tribute to Kenny Dorham in February 2013, and the Cal Massey 90th birthday celebration last January (sextet). One of Cal's daughters and her husband Pierre Chambers (son of Paul) were there. Bertrand. Amazing that Lee Morgan was almost on Mingus and Friends but was sick (Dizzy mentions it). A few days later, he was gone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted November 9, 2018 Report Share Posted November 9, 2018 I knew him a little, played with him in the "alternative big band" that was happening then. I would be shocked if he remembers that, though. But yeah, one of the nicer, more generous spirits of NT Land at the time. And probably not coincidentally, one of the more "real" players as well, always looked to tell a story instead of flashing all those choplicks. And definitely not coincidentally, smiling a big smile far more often than not, in fact the first thing that came to my mind when you called that name was him smiling. Glad to hear that he's alive and well! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felser Posted November 9, 2018 Report Share Posted November 9, 2018 Has anyone listened to the 40 minute Roy Brooks interview on this set? Worth the listening time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertrand Posted November 9, 2018 Report Share Posted November 9, 2018 Out of stock everywhere - are they going to add the extra track to CD#5? Mine is on the way, will hold off on opening it right away... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Bresnahan Posted November 9, 2018 Report Share Posted November 9, 2018 On 10/17/2018 at 8:31 AM, Kevin Bresnahan said: Bull Moose has it on pre-order for $27.97: https://www.bullmoose.com/p/27978873/charles-mingus-jazz-in-detroit-strata-concert-gallery-46-selden-5cd-set I'll order it from them and pick it up in the Portsmouth NH store. I was hoping they would get in a copy but I got sick of waiting and ordered it today. Let's see if they get it. I may add the Beatles latest 50 anniversary box set of the White Album to the list but at $160... ouch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertrand Posted November 9, 2018 Report Share Posted November 9, 2018 What's extra in the Beatles box - the 6-hour, unedited version of Revolution #9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felser Posted November 9, 2018 Report Share Posted November 9, 2018 2 hours ago, Kevin Bresnahan said: I was hoping they would get in a copy but I got sick of waiting and ordered it today. Let's see if they get it. I may add the Beatles latest 50 anniversary box set of the White Album to the list but at $160... ouch. I got th3 3CD set of the Beatles from amazon for $21.67. Arrived today and stunning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFrank Posted November 9, 2018 Report Share Posted November 9, 2018 FYI - for those of you who still use eMusic, they have this for $8.49. Jazz in Detroit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted November 9, 2018 Report Share Posted November 9, 2018 4 hours ago, felser said: Has anyone listened to the 40 minute Roy Brooks interview on this set? Worth the listening time? Yes, at least one time. After that, ymmv. But it's nice to hear people talking instead of just reading it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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