Rabshakeh Posted March 24, 2021 Report Posted March 24, 2021 (edited) On 3/24/2021 at 12:56 PM, JSngry said: Still waiting for a reason to. Expand Hmm. It's the sort of book that gets put on first year university reading lists, or which mainstream non-jazz fan music critics read and refer to so that they feel they are keeping current. I'm not sure that's a reason, either. But I'm reading it anyway. It is very zippy. It is okay. Okay, a lot of the music that Chinen is so enthusiastic about and considers to represent an "explosion of creativity", or whatever, makes me want to chew off my own leg to escape, but I can get through that. Edited March 24, 2021 by Rabshakeh Quote
JSngry Posted March 24, 2021 Report Posted March 24, 2021 Once you get your leg chewed off, of course. Quote
Dub Modal Posted March 24, 2021 Report Posted March 24, 2021 On 3/24/2021 at 1:20 PM, Rabshakeh said: a lot of the music that Chinen is so enthusiastic about and considers to represent an "explosion of creativity" Expand Is this referencing the Mehldau & Iverson stuff? Quote
Rabshakeh Posted March 24, 2021 Report Posted March 24, 2021 On 3/24/2021 at 6:17 PM, Dub Modal said: Is this referencing the Mehldau & Iverson stuff? Expand Most of it. Kamasi Washington too. I listen to and love a lot of recent jazz music, but I honestly find it hard to get excited over some of the stuff Chinen is pushing as being the cream of the crop. Quote
Dub Modal Posted March 24, 2021 Report Posted March 24, 2021 Man, really? Just seems so shallow a pool to relegate oneself into. Wade on out toward the deeper waters big fella... Quote
JSngry Posted March 24, 2021 Report Posted March 24, 2021 fwiw....I kinda recall Chinen breaking into, I think it was Jazz Times (yeah, THAT long ago) with an introductory flairstatement along the lines of hey, I'm a young guy, this old stuff was before my time, so don't expect me to have either expertise or reverence towards that kind of jazz, I'm young, dammit, YOUNG! Not those words, but that attitude. and I was like, ok, that's legit, good, break some molds here, move some thinkings ahead, that's useful, so...get busy. and then, nothing happened. Dude wrote a lot of stuff about a lot of stuff that really didn't land (the music or the writing). so, like I said...not feeling a reason to read a whole book of that. Plenty of good/great music being made today, just nothing/nothing much that he seems to be excited about. Maybe he's the Leonard Feather for the kids today, I duno. but I'm no kid, nor am I ancient either, just old enough to not waste my energy on dead-ends that go nowhere and back again. I wouldn't mind a good Neo-Soul overview though, as I've had a sincere liking but small exposure to that genre for a few years now. But can I trust him on that if I don't trust him on jazz? Because for me, there is definitely an affinity between them. Quote
clifford_thornton Posted March 24, 2021 Report Posted March 24, 2021 He's a really good guy but yeah, I never got much of a necessity feeling about the artists/topics he covered. there's a lot of fantastic new music in the "jazz" realm too, but it isn't and wasn't in Chinen's purview. Quote
JSngry Posted March 24, 2021 Report Posted March 24, 2021 On 3/24/2021 at 7:18 PM, clifford_thornton said: He's a really good guy Expand Sincerely glad to hear this. It means he's NOT Leonard Feather for the kids today, or any other number of "important critics" who were not at all nice people. Quote
Rabshakeh Posted March 24, 2021 Report Posted March 24, 2021 On 3/24/2021 at 7:11 PM, Dub Modal said: Man, really? Just seems so shallow a pool to relegate oneself into. Wade on out toward the deeper waters big fella... Expand Exactly. The temperature is great and there have been hardly any shark attacks this year. Quote
Chuck Nessa Posted March 24, 2021 Report Posted March 24, 2021 DKWIM but when introduced to him, a couple years ago at Big Ears, he said "Oh yeah, Snurdy McGurdy". Quote
Dub Modal Posted March 24, 2021 Report Posted March 24, 2021 On 3/24/2021 at 7:48 PM, Rabshakeh said: Exactly. The temperature is great and there have been hardly any shark attacks this year. Expand That's right- hardly any! On 3/24/2021 at 9:15 PM, Chuck Nessa said: DKWIM but when introduced to him, a couple years ago at Big Ears, he said "Oh yeah, Snurdy McGurdy". Expand Maybe he was referencing Roscoe Mitchell's album from your label? On 3/24/2021 at 7:14 PM, JSngry said: I wouldn't mind a good Neo-Soul overview though, Expand Some recent discoveries: Stephanie Santiago from London Miir from Gary, IN Tawiah from London KeiyaA from Chicago And Jamila Woods also from Chicago Far from a Neo Soul overview, but just some leads on what I think are some talented singers. Quote
JSngry Posted March 24, 2021 Report Posted March 24, 2021 On 3/24/2021 at 9:15 PM, Chuck Nessa said: DKWIM but when introduced to him, a couple years ago at Big Ears, he said "Oh yeah, Snurdy McGurdy". Expand It means that you're in the next-gen canon! Quote
Chuck Nessa Posted March 24, 2021 Report Posted March 24, 2021 On 3/24/2021 at 10:03 PM, JSngry said: It means that you're in the next-gen canon! Expand I just found it strange that is what he said - beyond "nice to meet you". End of exchange. Quote
JSngry Posted March 24, 2021 Report Posted March 24, 2021 He name-checked. He's hip. He writes for the New York Times and has a book out that apparently is good to the kids. What have you done for him lately? Quote
Chuck Nessa Posted March 24, 2021 Report Posted March 24, 2021 On 3/24/2021 at 11:22 PM, JSngry said: He name-checked. He's hip. He writes for the New York Times and has a book out that apparently is good to the kids. What have you done for him lately? Expand So far I seem to be good with kids. Quote
Larry Kart Posted March 24, 2021 Report Posted March 24, 2021 On 3/24/2021 at 10:53 PM, Chuck Nessa said: I just found it strange that is what he said - beyond "nice to meet you". End of exchange. Expand On 3/24/2021 at 10:53 PM, Chuck Nessa said: I just found it strange that is what he said - beyond "nice to meet you". End of exchange. Expand Exaggerating a bit, it's like if he met Alfred Lion and said, "Blue Note, right?" Quote
JSngry Posted March 24, 2021 Report Posted March 24, 2021 Well, that might be harsh, maybe that was all he knew to say to a distinguished elder. But maybe not? Here we go again with jazz-as-career-path...I give up trying to give a damn about that. It's just getting too damn weird for me. Quote
Dan Gould Posted March 25, 2021 Report Posted March 25, 2021 Chuck's story reminds me of the early Seinfeld episode, where Jerry, George and Elaine are at a party out in the suburbs and George gets hit on by a co-worker and Jerry and Elaine end up stranded. Jerry gets summarily dismissed by another party goer with "yeah I think I saw you once. You talk about a lot of every-day things." (turns away) Larry's summary is spot-on, and if Chinen had met Alfred, I suspect that's all he could have said to him. Whatever, Chinen brings nothing to the table as a writer or critic/thinker as far as I am concerned. Quote
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