Which jazz book are you reading right now?

[gvopedz]

28 minutes ago, Larry Kart said:

No. Composer George Russell's wife was Juanita Odejnar. (He named a piece after her, which was recorded at the same session s "Ezzthetic.") After that marriage came to an end, Juanita married Giuffre.

There is some evidence that Giuffre had something with Vivien Garry.  On page 18 of the 25 January 1952 issue of Down Beat there is a photo entitled “Lighthouse Gang Illumines Lecture.”  Below the photo it says:

“For his lecture on progressive jazz in his Survey of Jazz course at UCLA, Nesuhi Ertegun brought a sample of the real thing for his students’ edification. Group was Howard Humsey’s [sic], from the Lighthouse cafe at Hermosa Beach, and included trombonist Milt Bernhart; trumpeter Shorty Rogers, tenorist Jimmy Giuffre; pianist bassist Rumsey, and durmmer Shelley Manne.  Lady at the left is Mrs. Giuffre, better known to record collectors as Vivien Garry. She assisted with some examples of vocal stylings.”

I believe Giuffre married several times.  Juanita was his last wife.

The Down Beat item is available on the Internet Archive.

https://archive.org/

[Larry Kart]

OK. But based on the above photos of Garry, whoever married her had a formidable woman to deal with.

[Niko]

http://jazzwestcoastresearch.blogspot.com/2012/11/the-first-lighthouse-all-stars.html?m=1

Fwiw, she was married to Arvin Garrison, trombonist Dick Taylor and Giuffre...

[AllenLowe]

7 hours ago, gmonahan said:

I gave up trying to buy a copy of the Teddy Reig book and got it from the library. It is a fun read! One question: how was/is his last name pronounced?  "Reeg"  "Rige"  "Rague"??

REEG

[Gheorghe]

On 11/15/2022 at 3:05 AM, Jim Duckworth said:

The trouble I have is that I had ordered it as a Kindle Book when it came out, I bought that Kindle thing only for this book, I managed to read it, but later I heard theres a paper edition too, but I didn´t buy it, since I thought eventually I re-read passages of the Kindle, but I just can´t stand reading a book if it´s not a paper book . 

 

[Jim Duckworth]

8 hours ago, Gheorghe said:

The trouble I have is that I had ordered it as a Kindle Book when it came out, I bought that Kindle thing only for this book, I managed to read it, but later I heard theres a paper edition too, but I didn´t buy it, since I thought eventually I re-read passages of the Kindle, but I just can´t stand reading a book if it´s not a paper book . 

 

The virtues of a Kindle reading device were enumerated to me recently, and it did sound functional-but I remain affiliated with print.

 

[Gheorghe]

17 hours ago, Jim Duckworth said:

The virtues of a Kindle reading device were enumerated to me recently, and it did sound functional-but I remain affiliated with print.

 

I must check out if I can find a copy of the paper version. At least I´d like to read again those chapters or passages that seemed to be interesting for me. If I remember there was a bit too much about all his psychiatric hospital stays and medical records. But it might be interesting to read some stuff out of it, especially I think Mr. Carl Smith had his own theories about Bud´s time in Paris and his return to the States, not like Francis Paudras, who exagerated the importance of his friendship with Bud, at least that´s how I think it was. He misdated recordings as being earlier than they were, just to tell that he had such a long friendship with Bud, and he tends to the romantic side of the story. It can´t be like that. A music lover from the more burgois background and an adict artist in trouble, it is not that way it does not "work". And maybe he was naive also as he thought that Goodstein had called Bud back to NY just out of love and admiration, it was a business thing that didn´t work for him so he dropt him....

[Big Beat Steve]

On 12/6/2022 at 9:44 PM, Larry Kart said:

No. Composer George Russell's wife was Juanita Odejnar. (He named a piece after her, which was recorded at the same session s "Ezzthetic.") After that marriage came to an end, Juanita married Giuffre.

But isn't that tune called/spelled "Odjenar"?
See Prestige LP 7287, where Ira Gitler also explains the origins of the tune's name and makes the link between her and her various husbands.

As far as I was able to find out, this also was the spelling of the tune on the original 78.
So which spelling of her name is right after all?

 

Edited December 8, 2022 by Big Beat Steve

[JSngry]

13 minutes ago, Big Beat Steve said:

See Prestige LP 7287, where Ira Gitler also explains the origins of the tune's name and makes the link between her and her various husbands.

 

Please advise?

 

[Big Beat Steve]

(Wisecrack mode on: 😄)

2 hours ago, JSngry said:

Please advise?

(Mixed-up-numbers-rectification mode on: ‼️)

[mjzee]

[Larry Kart]

6 minutes ago, Big Beat Steve said:

(Wisecrack mode on: 😄)

(Mixed-up-numbers-rectification mode on: ‼️)

Trust Ira.

[gmonahan]

On 12/6/2022 at 5:36 PM, AllenLowe said:

REEG

Thanks Allen!

[Stompin at the Savoy]

On 12/7/2022 at 6:08 AM, Jim Duckworth said:

The virtues of a Kindle reading device were enumerated to me recently, and it did sound functional-but I remain affiliated with print.

 

You might enjoy reading on Kindle as you get older if your eyesight deteriorates.  I have to wear strong cheaters to read most hard-copy.  Every time I look away from the book I have to remove the glasses to see.  With Kindle I put it on a large monitor and bump up the fonts so I can read without glasses.  It's great!

[Big Beat Steve]

12 hours ago, Stompin at the Savoy said:

You might enjoy reading on Kindle as you get older if your eyesight deteriorates.  I have to wear strong cheaters to read most hard-copy.  Every time I look away from the book I have to remove the glasses to see.  With Kindle I put it on a large monitor and bump up the fonts so I can read without glasses.  It's great!

But it's not just that. Do you actually OWN the Kindle copy (if so, you would have to be able to download and save it elsewhere in a straightforward manner) or can it be revoked and made inaccessible on a whim later on? An oft-disucssed problem AFAIK and one that still does not work out in favor of the buyer/customer.

As for reading habits and needs as one gets older, YMMV (due to my own experience as I got ahead in years too 😉). As I wear progressives I have no problem adjusting to printed matter and still am very much "paper-oriented". On the contrary, looking at a small screen would make me tire faster. And putting the Kindle on a PC screen just to read - no thanks, there are plenty of readable and read-worthy websites and blogs (such as the recently mentioned jazzwestcoastresearch site 😉) where you do that anyway. So no real incentive to go that route with an e-book as well.

 

Edited December 9, 2022 by Big Beat Steve

[Stompin at the Savoy]

6 hours ago, Big Beat Steve said:

But it's not just that. Do you actually OWN the Kindle copy (if so, you would have to be able to download and save it elsewhere in a straightforward manner) or can it be revoked and made inaccessible on a whim later on? An oft-disucssed problem AFAIK and one that still does not work out in favor of the buyer/customer.

As for reading habits and needs as one gets older, YMMV (due to my own experience as I got ahead in years too 😉). As I wear progressives I have no problem adjusting to printed matter and still am very much "paper-oriented". On the contrary, looking at the screen would make me tire faster. And putting the Kindle on a PC screen just to read - no thanks, there are plenty of readable and read-worthy websites and blogs (such as the recently mentioned jazzwestcoastresearch site 😉) where you do that anyway. So no real incentive to go that route with an e-book as well.

 

Haha well I don't want to derail the thread but here is a suggestion: download the free kindle for pc software and install it.  Go to Gutenberg.org and look around for a free book to read as a sample, such as a nice P. G. Wodehouse novel.  See how it works for you.  The whole exercise is totally free.  A few years down the line it might change your life.

[Rabshakeh]

I have just seen on Wikipedia that Charles Mingus wrote a guide to toilet training domestic housecats. 

Has anyone read it?

Edited December 9, 2022 by Rabshakeh

[Joe]

Available online! https://www.charlesmingus.com/mingus/cat-traning-program and https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/15/magazine/charles-mingus-toilet-train-cat.html

[Peter Friedman]

14 hours ago, Stompin at the Savoy said:

You might enjoy reading on Kindle as you get older if your eyesight deteriorates.  I have to wear strong cheaters to read most hard-copy.  Every time I look away from the book I have to remove the glasses to see.  With Kindle I put it on a large monitor and bump up the fonts so I can read without glasses.  It's great!

Another huge advantage of Kindle( at least for me), is that when traveling I do not have to carry a  large pile of traditional  books. My Kindle has a very lengthy number of ebooks loaded into this very light weight device.

[Jim Duckworth]

15 hours ago, Stompin at the Savoy said:

You might enjoy reading on Kindle as you get older if your eyesight deteriorates.  I have to wear strong cheaters to read most hard-copy.  Every time I look away from the book I have to remove the glasses to see.  With Kindle I put it on a large monitor and bump up the fonts so I can read without glasses.  It's great!

I think I'm just feeling cocky about my eyesight since I had cataract surgery in 2020 and could suddenly read again.  It seems likely that I'll be using Kindle sooner rather than later.

[Gheorghe]

I had the impression that the Kindle is quite heavy. It may be good to read. I need eyeglasses if I read. But the "book" is just heavy in my hands, it is not comfortable, and somehow I never got used to handle it, I´m not really into electronics. We always order our books, jazz books from where I find them, and beletristica online from România mostly......

[hopkins]

21 hours ago, Rabshakeh said:

I have just seen on Wikipedia that Charles Mingus wrote a guide to toilet training domestic housecats. 

Has anyone read it?

Has anyone tried it? 

[Big Beat Steve]

On 12/9/2022 at 3:19 PM, Stompin at the Savoy said:

Haha well I don't want to derail the thread but here is a suggestion: download the free kindle for pc software and install it.  Go to Gutenberg.org and look around for a free book to read as a sample, such as a nice P. G. Wodehouse novel.  See how it works for you.  The whole exercise is totally free.  A few years down the line it might change your life.

Getting back to this (without wanting to derail this thread further either): The key question is: Will this allow me to download e-books in a printable file format so I can print out and make up my personal paperback-style hardcopy later on as I wish? I'd be used to that. I've done it often enough in the olden days long, long before there was such a thing as internet and OOP books (particularly foreign ones) remained inaccessible almost forever without going to totally uneconomical lengths and trouble.

[Stompin at the Savoy]

7 hours ago, Big Beat Steve said:

Getting back to this (without wanting to derail this thread further either): The key question is: Will this allow me to download e-books in a printable file format so I can print out and make up my personal paperback-style hardcopy later on as I wish? I'd be used to that. I've done it often enough in the olden days long, long before there was such a thing as internet and OOP books (particularly foreign ones) remained inaccessible almost forever without going to totally uneconomical lengths and trouble.

Well Steve, there are many advantages to having a book as a file rather than a printed copy.  In my case, I had used progressive lenses for a few years and complained to my optometrist that it was awkward and uncomfortable trying to read through an aperture smaller than a dime at the bottom of the lenses (and having to move my head to scan the page like reading through a telescope) and asked if I could get reading glasses, whereupon he told me to buy dime store magnifying glasses.  I used those for a while but I needed such strong cheaters that I was having to hold the book very close to my face and it was a jolt every time I had to look away from the plane of the book.  Now I just blow up the text on a monitor to a size I can read comfortably without glasses.  So it's useful for people with vision issues.  But as someone else pointed out, ibooks allow you to carry thousands of books with you on a phone or tablet or kindle device (I still haven't bought a kindle device).  Another great advantage is you can do things like rapid text searches through the book, which you can't do with print.  In many cases the kindle edition of a book is far cheaper than the print version and in some cases the only practical way to obtain the book. Hundreds of thousands of books published before 1926 are available on Gutenberg.org for free.  Paperless reading saves energy, reduces logging of forests, and reduces traffic.  I could go on enumerating advantages but I think that's enough. 

It seems to me that your question - how do I turn electronic books into paper - misses the whole point of having electronic books.  Printing electronic books negates the whole purpose of an electronic book. If what you want is a paper book, buy a paper book, don't buy an electronic book and then jump through awkward and expensive hoops to turn it into paper.  This is kind of like complaining that using soap to clean your body doesn't allow you to reconstitute the dirt and put it back on your body!

Edited December 11, 2022 by Stompin at the Savoy

[Bluesnik]

I'm with this fascinating book right now. On chaps. 1 and 2. When the diaspora from the rural South to the northern cities made the beginning of a musical movement possible. And how in the 50s after bebop, Detroit had a very vital scene that even nurtured cities as NY. Congratulations for this work Mark Stryker. And I'm only just at the beginning. But it looks very promising. By the way, I have a Savoy album called Jazzmen Detroit. With Flanagan, Adams, Chambers, Burrell and Clarke. Who is omitted from the cover because he was not a detroitian, as I've said before. But I read in the book that it was precisely him who organized the session. This has me seeking out other music books about the city, like Before Motown. Very good the Elvin Jones shot from the cover.

 

Edited December 11, 2022 by Bluesnik