Miles BB billionth reissue

[RogerF]

I think I probably know the answer to this question already but does anyone have any idea why Columbia / Sony released a digipak edition of BB last year (for the millionth time)? I saw it in a store on Saturday and it looked tempting despite the fact I already own two copies of BB. I can see there are 6 bonus tracks not on the original but can find no information or discussion anywhere about this reissue (other than eBay), even on Sony's website. I might buy it, but purely as an attractive artifact and "spare", handy for the car CD player. There I've been mugged again!

MILES DAVIS BITCHES BREW 2 CD DIGIPAK

Disc 1
1. Pharaoh's Dance
2. Bitches Brew
3. Spanish Key
4. John McLaughlin

Disc 2
1. Miles Runs the Voodoo Down
2. Sanctuary
3. Spanish Key [alternate take]
4. John McLaughlin [alternate take]
5. Miles Runs the Voodoo Down[45-rpm single edit]
6. Spanish Key [single]
7. Great Expectations [single]
8. Little Blue Frog [single]
 

Edited April 23, 2018 by RogerF
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[Scott Dolan]

$$$$$, to answer your question. 

Unfortunately, the reissue market is about the only way left for most Jazz labels, big or small, to make a profit. Gotta milk that "golden age". 

[CJ Shearn]

Wait, it's exactly the same as the Legacy Edition, except without the Copenhagen DVD.  Pass.

[Scott Dolan]

Is it remastered? 

[RogerF]

Scott, dunno about remastered but definitely remilked 

[Scott Dolan]

[felser]

40th anniversary edition still gives you best bang for the buck, but this one's certainly inexpensive enough.

[Kevin Bresnahan]

Won't this set have the re-mixed version of the original sessions? I thought that all of the currently available the US/Legacy CDs use Mark Wilder's re-mix.

[Scott Dolan]

Re-mixed, or remastered? 

[Kevin Bresnahan]

Supposedly re-mixed from the original multi-tracks. Not a favorite of mine, so I am not that familiar with the differences, but they are supposedly obvious.

[jazzbo]

Yes, all US cd versions since the remix appeared but the one in the Complete Columbia Albums box set (and the vinyl in the 40th Anniversary set) are the remix. 

[erwbol]

1 hour ago, jazzbo said:

Yes, all US cd versions since the remix appeared but the one in the Complete Columbia Albums box set (and the vinyl in the 40th Anniversary set) are the remix. 

I have hardly listened to the remix since the Complete Columbia Albums box and then the MFSL Hybrid SACD appeared.

13 hours ago, Kevin Bresnahan said:

Supposedly re-mixed from the original multi-tracks. Not a favorite of mine, so I am not that familiar with the differences, but they are supposedly obvious.

Very noticeable indeed.

[felser]

What is the net impact of the remix?  Are there different lengths to  the cuts?  Different instruments brought up or down in the  mix?  

[erwbol]

24 minutes ago, felser said:

What is the net impact of the remix?  Are there different lengths to  the cuts?  Different instruments brought up or down in the  mix?  

Some of Teo Macero's effects could not be recreated. Other than that, the original mix is darker in atmosphere. The remix is very transparent and often mastered too loud for my taste. The 40th anniversary remaster of the remix is the best version of the remix imo, but pales in comparison to MFSL's Macero mix Hybrid SACD.

I don't have a turntable, so I have never been able to play the 40th anniversary original mix vinyl from the box set. Only slab of vinyl I own.

Edited April 24, 2018 by erwbol

[Daniel A]

Sorry for using your knowledge for personal purposes, but I imagined that some of you would know this (or have an informed opinion). I am on my way home from work and suddenly felt like listening to BB for the fist time since I can't remember when. I have the metal spine box and the original jackets 70 CD box. Which version should I listen to?

Edited April 24, 2018 by Daniel A

[erwbol]

The latter for the Macero mix. That's the Complete Columbia Album Collection from 2009, right? 

Edited April 24, 2018 by erwbol

[Daniel A]

Yes, that's the one. Thanks! 

[Scott Dolan]

1 hour ago, felser said:

What is the net impact of the remix?  Are there different lengths to  the cuts?  Different instruments brought up or down in the  mix?  

If you want to hear the extremes of what is possible in re-mixing, listen to the original stereo mix of Sgt. Pepper's vs the re-mix that came out last year. To say the difference is night and day is an understatement. Pretty much everything was moved and panned in a completely different way so that it ended up having a truer stereo mix. 

Another incredibly subtle re-mix can be heard on the Legacy Edition of Kind of Blue where the piano was moved slightly to center from the hard left pan of the original mix. Chamber's bass was also moved slightly back and it sound like a more natural mix. 

[erwbol]

Listen to Nefertiti in the very different original Teo Macero mix on the MFSL Hybrid SACD and there is no going back to Wilder's remix. Same for Sorcerer, only the Nefertiti MFSL sounds even better than Sorcerer's.

Edited April 24, 2018 by erwbol

[felser]

44 minutes ago, Scott Dolan said:

If you want to hear the extremes of what is possible in re-mixing, listen to the original stereo mix of Sgt. Pepper's vs the re-mix that came out last year. To say the difference is night and day is an understatement. Pretty much everything was moved and panned in a completely different way so that it ended up having a truer stereo mix. 

Another incredibly subtle re-mix can be heard on the Legacy Edition of Kind of Blue where the piano was moved slightly to center from the hard left pan of the original mix. Chamber's bass was also moved slightly back and it sound like a more natural mix. 

I'll do that on the Sgt. Pepper's.  I bought the new one last year and thought it sounded fantastic, but did not A-B it against the original.  Of course,  they designed it in '67 to be heard in mono, so probably didn't' put as much into the stereo,

[Scott Dolan]

5 minutes ago, felser said:

I'll do that on the Sgt. Pepper's.  I bought the new one last year and thought it sounded fantastic, but did not A-B it against the original.  Of course,  they designed it in '67 to be heard in mono, so probably didn't' put as much into the stereo,

No, and The Beatles themselves were barely present for the stereo mix phase. Stereo was an afterthought back then, especially since stereo hadn't really caught on in England at the time. 

But, yeah. Just A->B the title track. You'll be shocked at how different they sound. I think I actually broke it down here once before. Let me see if I can find the post. 

*edit*

Here you go. 

 

Edited April 24, 2018 by Scott Dolan

[JSngry]

I thought I knew the White Album down to every last detail until I heard it in mono...come to find out, I did know the stereo version to that degree, but just the stereo version.

Bitches Brew, though, I lived with the LP for a long time before CDs were born, and Belden's re-do worked for me as "something different", but really...the Teo mixes for all these things should be the "reference versions", imo.

[Scott Dolan]

And the "white album" was the last one they released in mono. As huge of a Beatles fan as I am, I've actually never heard it in mono. 

[JSngry]

Oh, I bought the mono box just for reasons like this. Glad I did. When people say "there are differences", they're right, and for Pepper & TWA, they're actually things that are in one and not in the other. Plus, the earlier stuff just kicks better in mono, imo.

[Scott Dolan]

I’m just not a mono guy. But, I hear you, and I believe you. You’re certainly not the first to evangelize about the wonders of mono. 

The greater the care given to any mix, the better. I just didn’t put together a stereo system to listen to music in mono. It’s my own hangup, mind you.