clandy44 Posted March 6, 2004 Report Posted March 6, 2004 Jazz Review reports that the 7th ed. is on pace to be available Xmas 2004. Quote
king ubu Posted March 8, 2004 Report Posted March 8, 2004 Uh, I'm still with my fifth... Do you pick up each edition, or rather every second? I found out about Penguin in time to get the 4th ed., then got the 5th, too. Anyone did compare the 5th and the 6th? Would I need to get the 6th? ubu Quote
tonym Posted March 8, 2004 Report Posted March 8, 2004 (edited) FWIW Crazy Jazz's website prints the 'Crowned' titles as each edition appears. However I've looked at theirPenguin 6th ed. and they have yet to add the 7th ed. Keep checking anyway. cheers, tonym. Edited March 8, 2004 by tonym Quote
Claude Posted March 8, 2004 Report Posted March 8, 2004 I think it's reasonable to pick up only every second edition of this book. And don't give (or throw) the old ones away, they contain reviews which have been deleted from the newer editions, because the CDs are currently not available in the UK , but they may be reissued anytime ore are available as imports. Anyone did compare the 5th and the 6th? Penguin Guide to Jazz Diffs, 5th vs. 6th Editions Quote
king ubu Posted March 8, 2004 Report Posted March 8, 2004 I think it's reasonable to pick up only every second edition of this book. And don't give (or throw) the old ones away, they contain reviews which have been deleted from the newer editions, because the CDs are currently not available in the UK , but they may be reissued anytime ore are available as imports. Anyone did compare the 5th and the 6th? Penguin Guide to Jazz Diffs, 5th vs. 6th Editions Thanks, Claude. I know that I should not give them away (they're much too dear to me anyway, I cannot give books away, generally never do it!). The 6th is under 20$ now on US Amazon, and 10£ on UK, so I might get this one and wait for the 7th till it is on sale later... I guess I'm sort of a completist. ubu Quote
Clunky Posted March 8, 2004 Report Posted March 8, 2004 I've got em all, and will continue to do so, highly entertaining and really pretty good value if you consider how much information is carries, Quote
clandy44 Posted March 8, 2004 Author Report Posted March 8, 2004 I too have each one. I use them as a sort of library, since reviews are deleted from edition to edition. My tastes have changed quite a bit since I bought the first one, but I appreciate the scholarly approach and I have a pretty good idea of the editors' biases. I'm always tempted to buy Lord, but I don't much care for him and I'm mindful of all the errors noted by others. Quote
A Lark Ascending Posted March 8, 2004 Report Posted March 8, 2004 Brian Morton must be a very busy man at present. What with the new Penguin and a forthcoming book due in August: From OUP site: http://www.oup.co.uk/isbn/0-19-284092-4 Plenty Plenty Rhythm Brian Morton (Presenter of Radio Scotland's arts programmes The Usual Suspects and The Brian Morton Show) Price: £14.99 (Hardback) 0-19-284092-4 Publication date: August 2004 176 pages, 216mm x 135mm A novel and stimulating introduction to the subject Avoids orthodox chronologies by homing in on key moments in jazz's past Morton is a leading international name in the jazz world with a proven track record - author of the very successful Penguin Guide to Jazz on CD Explores jazz's origins, its ethnic identity, and its social and political nature Description: Brian Morton looks at the history of the 20th century's one entirely new musical form, jazz - and asks, what has jazz become? and what does jazz do? rather than try to define what jazz is. Readership: General readers interested in jazz - its origins, its ethnic identity, and its social and political nature Since his major falling out with the BBC in Scotland a year or so back I'd imagine he's had more time on his hands. One of my favourite broadcasters - this volume might well surprise some readers. His personality seems to get a bit lost in the "Cook and Morton" mix. Quote
robviti Posted March 11, 2004 Report Posted March 11, 2004 (edited) i own all of them. i bought second copies of vols. 1-4 used to replace my original copies which were quite worn. you can often get the older editions for a good price at half.com or on other websites. for example, currently you can get the first edition in "like new" condition for only $8 at half.com Edited March 11, 2004 by jazzshrink Quote
sidewinder Posted September 28, 2004 Report Posted September 28, 2004 Just pre-ordered a copy from Amazon UK - should be out here within the next few weeks. Quote
dsgtrane Posted September 28, 2004 Report Posted September 28, 2004 I've got em all, and will continue to do so, highly entertaining and really pretty good value if you consider how much information is carries, Me too. Have bought many a CD based on their reviews, especially after buying volume 1 so many years ago. Quote
alankin Posted September 29, 2004 Report Posted September 29, 2004 (edited) It came out yesterday in the U.S. --> Richard Cook & Brian Morton - The Penguin Guide To Jazz On CD, 7th Edition (Penguin Books) Sept 28 -- 1,728 pages Edited September 29, 2004 by alankin Quote
LAL Posted September 30, 2004 Report Posted September 30, 2004 Stopped looking at my 3rd edition for a couple of years and then decided to pick it up again a few months back for no particular reason. Lo and behold, I discovered they have some decent reviews of many N.O revival recordings which AMG totally omits . I find myself referring to the book quite often now. Perhaps I should pick up the latest edition. Quote
kenny weir Posted September 30, 2004 Report Posted September 30, 2004 Stopped looking at my 3rd edition for a couple of years and then decided to pick it up again a few months back for no particular reason. Lo and behold, I discovered they have some decent reviews of many N.O revival recordings which AMG totally omits . I find myself referring to the book quite often now. Perhaps I should pick up the latest edition. LAL, one of the authors (I forget which one) has a New Orleans/trad jones, and in the most recent edition (or perhaps the past two) even gave a crown to a Kid Valentine/George Lewis CD on American Music. Quote
LAL Posted September 30, 2004 Report Posted September 30, 2004 LAL, one of the authors (I forget which one) has a New Orleans/trad jones, and in the most recent edition (or perhaps the past two) even gave a crown to a Kid Valentine/George Lewis CD on American Music. Based on an online 4 star/crown list, this must be the Kid Thomas/George Lewis Ragtime Stompers disc on GHB. A crown you say? I don't have that one in the collection, yet. Must get it now. Quote
gdogus Posted September 30, 2004 Report Posted September 30, 2004 Just ordered PGJ7 - a very long overdue upgrade to my fourth edition. Can't wait! Quote
A Lark Ascending Posted September 30, 2004 Report Posted September 30, 2004 LAL, one of the authors (I forget which one) has a New Orleans/trad jones, and in the most recent edition (or perhaps the past two) even gave a crown to a Kid Valentine/George Lewis CD on American Music. Richard Cook is more angled that way. Morton, on his radio programmes, always had a modernist/avant bent, though with an ability to reference the history of the music. Quote
Leeway Posted September 30, 2004 Report Posted September 30, 2004 Curious to know if anyone has noticed either a change in the style of the writing in the Penguin Guide from the 1st to the 6th edition. Or, a change in outlook or opinion by the authors? Just wondering if over their years of listening, Cook or Morton have undergone some noticeable changes. Quote
Nate Dorward Posted October 1, 2004 Report Posted October 1, 2004 No: it was the avantgarde trombonist George Lewis they gave a crown to (for Homage to Charles Parker) not the clarinettist, at least in all the editions I've seen (including the 6th). Quote
kenny weir Posted October 1, 2004 Report Posted October 1, 2004 Nate, the NO George Lewis definitely has a gong in the sixth, but it's a co-listing under Kid Valentine's name. Quote
Nate Dorward Posted October 1, 2004 Report Posted October 1, 2004 Nate, the NO George Lewis definitely has a gong in the sixth, but it's a co-listing under Kid Valentine's name. Ah, there we go--p 1485 of the 6th edition. Nice coincidence that both George Lewises get crowned! Quote
montg Posted October 1, 2004 Report Posted October 1, 2004 (edited) Has anyone recevied the 7th edition yet? Amazon US has it listed as coming out Sept. 28, Amazon UK has no scheduled date, and Barnes & Noble has it listed for Oct 26th. Edited October 1, 2004 by montg Quote
gdogus Posted October 4, 2004 Report Posted October 4, 2004 My Amazon US order isn't scheduled to ship until October 7, despite the Spetember 28 availability date... Quote
minew Posted October 4, 2004 Report Posted October 4, 2004 Curious to know if anyone has noticed either a change in the style of the writing in the Penguin Guide from the 1st to the 6th edition. Or, a change in outlook or opinion by the authors? Just wondering if over their years of listening, Cook or Morton have undergone some noticeable changes. Each entry now begins with a short bio, rather than diving headlong into the reviews. Views of individual recordings definitely change from edition to edition. See Bobby Hutcherson's 'Dialogue', for example. It's also interesting, in the case of contemporary artists, to notice changing evaluations of evolving careers. Some don't turn out like their first one or two releases might have indicated. Quote
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