Hardbopjazz Posted February 6, 2018 Report Posted February 6, 2018 In 1955 Monk appeared on the Tonight Show. He played "Off Minor," and "Well, and You needn't." Anyone know who was in Monk's band? Quote
T.D. Posted February 6, 2018 Report Posted February 6, 2018 Apparently it's included on a European CD. According to discogs site, Mingus, Art Blakey, Hank Mobley, Art Farmer (!) Quote
Hardbopjazz Posted February 6, 2018 Author Report Posted February 6, 2018 Thanks. I didn’t know about this CD. Quote
Caravan Posted February 6, 2018 Report Posted February 6, 2018 The personnel listed in that cd is wrong. It is Art Farmer, Eddie Bert, Teo Macero (ts), Monk, Mingus, Willie Jones (dr), recorded Oct 6, 1955. It also contains a little "interview" with Monk, in which he "explains" the tunes played. More about this session can be found here, where Teo Macero recalls some hilarious moments of that day. Note that Macero names Dannie Richmond as the drummer, but it really is Willie Jones, who was working with Monk at the time (in as far as Monk was working at all during that period). Quote
Teasing the Korean Posted February 6, 2018 Report Posted February 6, 2018 Steve Allen was the coolest. Quote
brownie Posted February 6, 2018 Report Posted February 6, 2018 The musicians listed by Caravan are correct. They are also mentioned in Robin D.G. Kelley's book on Monk. Kelley gîves the date for Steve Allen's show as June 10, 1955, not October 6. Quote
sgcim Posted February 7, 2018 Report Posted February 7, 2018 All those great SA Tonight Show episodes were erased... Quote
Hardbopjazz Posted February 9, 2018 Author Report Posted February 9, 2018 On 2/7/2018 at 5:35 PM, sgcim said: All those great SA Tonight Show episodes were erased... Too bad. Quote
Ted O'Reilly Posted February 9, 2018 Report Posted February 9, 2018 Maybe a lot are gone, but not all. And not erased...they would have saved as kinescopes, which are films and thus not 'erasable'. Allen really did invent *late night TV*.... Here's the first one: Quote
chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez Posted February 10, 2018 Report Posted February 10, 2018 i knew a guy a few yrs ago who was his grandson, he was legit- but he said he lost contact with jayne as she was in a home at that point, i told him god you should call jayne and say hi, say hi for me too! lol IS there any proof hank ever played w/ monk at all? has this whole monk-mobe thing been blown out of proportion? im starting to thing it was a big misundertanding. the BN bio i googled for hank does mention monk.....but i still dont know.... Quote
JSngry Posted February 10, 2018 Report Posted February 10, 2018 Hank mentions it too in his DB Interview. Quote
Don Brown Posted February 10, 2018 Report Posted February 10, 2018 The two Monk performances from Steve Allen's Tonight show are available on RLR Records (RLR88623). The title of the CD is Thelonious Monk in Philadelphia 1960 with Steve Lacy. The two titles from the Steve Allen Show are dated October 6, 1955, New York City. This is the correct date. I can remember seeing the live broadcast in the fall of 1955. For some reason the changeover from Daylight Savings Time to Standard Time took place at different times in the U.S. and Canada that year so we could watch American TV programs an hour earlier here. It made late-night shows like Steve Allen's available at a more attractive time for us. Robin D.G. Kelley is wrong about the date in his otherwise superb Monk biography. And the tenor player was definitely Hank Mobley, not Teo Macero. Quote
brownie Posted February 10, 2018 Report Posted February 10, 2018 The Chris Sheridan book on Monk 'Brilliant Corners' also gîves the date Friday, June 30, 1955. Sheridan indicates the date was given to him by Eddie Bert 'who kept diaries noting all his engagements'. I'll stick to Sheridan/Bert and Kelley for the .correct date. Quote
Dan Gould Posted February 10, 2018 Report Posted February 10, 2018 Do we have to argue about the date? Why is this so important. The real issue to me is: How much Hank is heard in those two tunes; what is the sound quality? How is the rest of this RLR issue and does it justify what looks to be about $35 plus shipping on Amazon? Quote
JSngry Posted February 10, 2018 Report Posted February 10, 2018 Check this thread out: The DukeCity links no longer lead to the Monk tracks, but if it didn't strike me as Hank then, I doubt it would now. Quote
brownie Posted February 10, 2018 Report Posted February 10, 2018 26 minutes ago, Dan Gould said: Do we have to argue about the date? Why is this so important. The real issue to me is: How much Hank is heard in those two tunes; what is the sound quality? How is the rest of this RLR issue and does it justify what looks to be about $35 plus shipping on Amazon? The sound quality on the Steve Allen show is plain awful. Macero shows up for brief solos on the two tunes. Buying the CD for Mobley is a pure waste of money. Buying it for Monk is worth à reasonable price. Sound is better - not excellent - on the other tunes. Quote
Don Brown Posted February 10, 2018 Report Posted February 10, 2018 I'm sorry guys but I saw the program. It was broadcast in October during the period that Daylight Savings Time and /Standard Time were out of sync between the U.S. and Canada, and the tenor player with the Monk pickup group was Hank Mobley, not Teo Macero. I'm not blind. Hank Mobley and Teo Macero did not look at all alike. Perhaps Macero had done something earlier (in June?) with Monk on TV but he was not on this particular edition of the Tonight Show and neither was Eddie Bert. Quote
Dan Gould Posted February 10, 2018 Report Posted February 10, 2018 37 minutes ago, Don Brown said: I'm sorry guys but I saw the program. It was broadcast in October during the period that Daylight Savings Time and /Standard Time were out of sync between the U.S. and Canada, and the tenor player with the Monk pickup group was Hank Mobley, not Teo Macero. I'm not blind. Hank Mobley and Teo Macero did not look at all alike. Perhaps Macero had done something earlier (in June?) with Monk on TV but he was not on this particular edition of the Tonight Show and neither was Eddie Bert. Not denying your memory but why do those who have heard the disc all say it doesn't sound like Hank? Maybe you're right that Hank appeared with Monk but this RLR release doesn't document it. Quote
Don Brown Posted February 10, 2018 Report Posted February 10, 2018 I have no idea why they say that. I do remember that when watching the show I felt both Art Farmer and Mobley looked uncomfortable playing with Monk. I believe it was the first and only time for both of them. Quote
Don Brown Posted February 10, 2018 Report Posted February 10, 2018 (edited) And you saw the program? If you had you would have definitely seen Hank Mobley onscreen. It's possible that the broadcast aircheck available on the RLR label comes from another program but the Steve Allen show that I saw live on October 6, 1955 had Hank Mobley on tenor saxophone. Teo Macero was never a tall, handsome, African-American. The only thing Teo and Hank had in common was that they both played the saxophone. Edited February 10, 2018 by Don Brown Quote
JSngry Posted February 10, 2018 Report Posted February 10, 2018 28 minutes ago, Don Brown said: It's possible that the broadcast aircheck available on the RLR label comes from another program but the Steve Allen show that I saw live on October 6, 1955 had Hank Mobley on tenor saxophone. Now that's a totally valid variable to consider, and this is why dating matters. Quote
chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez Posted February 11, 2018 Report Posted February 11, 2018 do we have someone here on the board who has layed witness to seeing motion picture footage of Hank, on TV? dawg, thats huge Quote
JSngry Posted February 11, 2018 Report Posted February 11, 2018 not footage, purportedly an actual broadcast!! Quote
JSngry Posted February 11, 2018 Report Posted February 11, 2018 Here, Hank talks about playing with Monk in 1957: Quote
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