Blue Train (Deluxe Edition)

[sidewinder]

39 minutes ago, RiRiIII said:

The prices at udiscover german store are high: £62/75EUR + £46/55EUR + £12 for EU shipping

Don’t need this on vinyl - or CD for that matter. Unless prices revert to norm, ‘I’m out’. My money will be going to Mosaic.

Edited July 29, 2022 by sidewinder

[Kevin Bresnahan]

I am thinking about buying the deluxe 2-LP set, but not until I hear that Kevin Gray didn't cut it too hot. He's done it several times and Blue Note doesn't acknowledge the problem at all so if it is cut too hot - say bye-bye to your money.

Quite frankly, this new Blue Note team is not that great when it comes to customer service. Nothing like the old days when we would point out a mastering problem with a CD and it almost always got fixed pretty quickly. This group just ignores the problem and hopes that their apologists rise up, which they always do over on the Hoffman forums. Kevin Gray is like a god over there, even though he sometimes cuts too hot and often cuts the grooves too tight, resulting in far too much dead wax, which I have been told by Ron McMaster can result in tracking problems for some turntables.

[Bill Nelson]

My kvetch with recent Tone Poets extends beyond Kevin Gray's cutting -- to the triple-shift pressing activity at RTI.  In the last two years, my returns-to-keepers ratio has been 3-to-1, which I attribute to oversight in quality control at RTI due to the overwhelming demand for limited-edition colored vinyl for every Record Store Day and the flurry from new indie labels.  My returned TPs merely join the pool of many which are absorbed by parent Universal without apology, concern, or corrective measures.

[Ken Dryden]

I've yet to buy a Tone Poet series reissue LP and I have no plans to do so. Offering a bonus unissued track or two at such an inflated price and the obvious dice roll about pressing quality makes me want to spend money on music I don't already own.

[Kevin Bresnahan]

I might order the SACD of the stereo deluxe set from CD Japan. I just wish it was a hybrid disc.

[RiRiIII]

12 hours ago, bresna said:

I might order the SACD of the stereo deluxe set from CD Japan. I just wish it was a hybrid disc.

I went ahead and preordered both SACDs of Blue Train from cdjp. 74 Eur total incl shipping.

 

[hbbfam]

After this was announced, I have listened to the analog producitons SACD from a few years ago.  I cannot imagine the new SACD could sound better.  The mono might be interesting.

[Brad]

I was planning to purchase the vinyl, maybe the CD but I think I will just stick with my JRVG. 

[Eric]

I like the idea of the mono LP with the booklet.  Apparently not the config they are selling.  I saw parts of a video where Blue Note said they are pressing "shitloads" of copies, so I can afford to wait around.

BTW - any opinions on the SHM-SACD option - more on the format in general versus the specifics of this issue?

Edited July 31, 2022 by Eric

[Kevin Bresnahan]

I have or have had:

Music Matters Jazz Mono LP

Japanese first issue CD (called a "Black triangle")

Original US CD

Mobile Fidelity gold CD

The Ultimate Blue Train

RVG SACD

Japanese UCCU CD with the extra take of "Blue Train"

... and yet I still ordered "Blue Train - The Complete Masters" SACD from Japan.

[RiRiIII]

The 2013 japanese SHM-CD with Takes 7 and Take 8 of "Blue Train", and the alt take of "Lazy bird", is TYCJ-81001.

Bonus Tracks
6 Blue Train Take 7 (Alt. Take 1) 7:09 - prev. unissued
7 Blue Train Take 8 (Alt. Take 2) 9:55- piano solo used into the Master Take (take 9)
8 Lazy Bird (Alt. Take) 7:11

and here are Michael Cuscuna 's notes from this japanese SHM-CD:

Both the above takes 7 and 8 will be included in the new Blue Train 2-LP Tone Poet set.

Edited August 6, 2022 by RiRiIII

[romualdo]

On 28/07/2022 at 5:20 AM, felser said:

I already have two versions of this ("Ultimate" and RVG) on my shelves.  That's good enough for me.  BTW, anyone know how to play the Ultimate bonus content on modern 64-bit PC's?

I've successfully extracted most of the bonus info IICRC from the disc - it won't play by just inserting, as you know

Mainly the dialogue - RVG & other BN musicians discussing JC & the album

[Kevin Bresnahan]

The word on the street is that the Japanese SACDs were mastered from the master tapes by Kevin Gray when he had the master tapes queued up for the Tone Poet LP cuts. Since I've had such crappy luck with Gray's LPs these days, I'm going to forego the LPs and go straight for the SACD this time. This is one of the few times when this is the cheaper route too.

[danasgoodstuff]

So the original piano solo from Blue Train take 9 that was pasted over with the solo from take 8 remains unissued?

[hbbfam]

On 7/30/2022 at 6:29 AM, RiRiIII said:

I went ahead and preordered both SACDs of Blue Train from cdjp. 74 Eur total incl shipping.

 

Can you provide the links for the two SACDs you purchased?

[RiRiIII]

1 hour ago, hbbfam said:

Can you provide the links for the two SACDs you purchased?

Blue Train: Complete Masters [SHM-SACD] [Limited Release] John Coltrane SACD
Blue Train (MONO) [SHM-SACD] [Limited Release] John Coltrane SACD

[RiRiIII]

10 hours ago, danasgoodstuff said:

So the original piano solo from Blue Train take 9 that was pasted over with the solo from take 8 remains unissued?

Acc. to the notes at "The Ultimate Blue Train" (1987), the piano solo from Take 9 has not survived.

And here is Mr Fuller's signature on my Ultimate CD sleeve:

Edited August 8, 2022 by RiRiIII

[hbbfam]

21 hours ago, RiRiIII said:

Blue Train: Complete Masters [SHM-SACD] [Limited Release] John Coltrane SACD
Blue Train (MONO) [SHM-SACD] [Limited Release] John Coltrane SACD

Thank you!