sidewinder Posted July 29, 2022 Report Share Posted July 29, 2022 (edited) 39 minutes ago, RiRiIII said: The prices at udiscover german store are high: £62/75EUR + £46/55EUR + £12 for EU shipping Don’t need this on vinyl - or CD for that matter. Unless prices revert to norm, ‘I’m out’. My money will be going to Mosaic. Edited July 29, 2022 by sidewinder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Bresnahan Posted July 29, 2022 Report Share Posted July 29, 2022 I am thinking about buying the deluxe 2-LP set, but not until I hear that Kevin Gray didn't cut it too hot. He's done it several times and Blue Note doesn't acknowledge the problem at all so if it is cut too hot - say bye-bye to your money. Quite frankly, this new Blue Note team is not that great when it comes to customer service. Nothing like the old days when we would point out a mastering problem with a CD and it almost always got fixed pretty quickly. This group just ignores the problem and hopes that their apologists rise up, which they always do over on the Hoffman forums. Kevin Gray is like a god over there, even though he sometimes cuts too hot and often cuts the grooves too tight, resulting in far too much dead wax, which I have been told by Ron McMaster can result in tracking problems for some turntables. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Nelson Posted July 29, 2022 Report Share Posted July 29, 2022 My kvetch with recent Tone Poets extends beyond Kevin Gray's cutting -- to the triple-shift pressing activity at RTI. In the last two years, my returns-to-keepers ratio has been 3-to-1, which I attribute to oversight in quality control at RTI due to the overwhelming demand for limited-edition colored vinyl for every Record Store Day and the flurry from new indie labels. My returned TPs merely join the pool of many which are absorbed by parent Universal without apology, concern, or corrective measures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Dryden Posted July 29, 2022 Report Share Posted July 29, 2022 I've yet to buy a Tone Poet series reissue LP and I have no plans to do so. Offering a bonus unissued track or two at such an inflated price and the obvious dice roll about pressing quality makes me want to spend money on music I don't already own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Bresnahan Posted July 30, 2022 Report Share Posted July 30, 2022 I might order the SACD of the stereo deluxe set from CD Japan. I just wish it was a hybrid disc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiRiIII Posted July 30, 2022 Report Share Posted July 30, 2022 12 hours ago, bresna said: I might order the SACD of the stereo deluxe set from CD Japan. I just wish it was a hybrid disc. I went ahead and preordered both SACDs of Blue Train from cdjp. 74 Eur total incl shipping. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hbbfam Posted July 31, 2022 Report Share Posted July 31, 2022 After this was announced, I have listened to the analog producitons SACD from a few years ago. I cannot imagine the new SACD could sound better. The mono might be interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Posted July 31, 2022 Report Share Posted July 31, 2022 I was planning to purchase the vinyl, maybe the CD but I think I will just stick with my JRVG. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Posted July 31, 2022 Report Share Posted July 31, 2022 (edited) I like the idea of the mono LP with the booklet. Apparently not the config they are selling. I saw parts of a video where Blue Note said they are pressing "shitloads" of copies, so I can afford to wait around. BTW - any opinions on the SHM-SACD option - more on the format in general versus the specifics of this issue? Edited July 31, 2022 by Eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Bresnahan Posted July 31, 2022 Report Share Posted July 31, 2022 I have or have had: Music Matters Jazz Mono LP Japanese first issue CD (called a "Black triangle") Original US CD Mobile Fidelity gold CD The Ultimate Blue Train RVG SACD Japanese UCCU CD with the extra take of "Blue Train" ... and yet I still ordered "Blue Train - The Complete Masters" SACD from Japan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiRiIII Posted August 6, 2022 Report Share Posted August 6, 2022 (edited) The 2013 japanese SHM-CD with Takes 7 and Take 8 of "Blue Train", and the alt take of "Lazy bird", is TYCJ-81001. Bonus Tracks 6 Blue Train Take 7 (Alt. Take 1) 7:09 - prev. unissued 7 Blue Train Take 8 (Alt. Take 2) 9:55- piano solo used into the Master Take (take 9) 8 Lazy Bird (Alt. Take) 7:11 and here are Michael Cuscuna 's notes from this japanese SHM-CD: Both the above takes 7 and 8 will be included in the new Blue Train 2-LP Tone Poet set. Edited August 6, 2022 by RiRiIII Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romualdo Posted August 7, 2022 Report Share Posted August 7, 2022 On 28/07/2022 at 5:20 AM, felser said: I already have two versions of this ("Ultimate" and RVG) on my shelves. That's good enough for me. BTW, anyone know how to play the Ultimate bonus content on modern 64-bit PC's? I've successfully extracted most of the bonus info IICRC from the disc - it won't play by just inserting, as you know Mainly the dialogue - RVG & other BN musicians discussing JC & the album Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Bresnahan Posted August 7, 2022 Report Share Posted August 7, 2022 The word on the street is that the Japanese SACDs were mastered from the master tapes by Kevin Gray when he had the master tapes queued up for the Tone Poet LP cuts. Since I've had such crappy luck with Gray's LPs these days, I'm going to forego the LPs and go straight for the SACD this time. This is one of the few times when this is the cheaper route too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danasgoodstuff Posted August 7, 2022 Report Share Posted August 7, 2022 So the original piano solo from Blue Train take 9 that was pasted over with the solo from take 8 remains unissued? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hbbfam Posted August 8, 2022 Report Share Posted August 8, 2022 On 7/30/2022 at 6:29 AM, RiRiIII said: I went ahead and preordered both SACDs of Blue Train from cdjp. 74 Eur total incl shipping. Can you provide the links for the two SACDs you purchased? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiRiIII Posted August 8, 2022 Report Share Posted August 8, 2022 1 hour ago, hbbfam said: Can you provide the links for the two SACDs you purchased? Blue Train: Complete Masters [SHM-SACD] [Limited Release] John Coltrane SACD Blue Train (MONO) [SHM-SACD] [Limited Release] John Coltrane SACD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiRiIII Posted August 8, 2022 Report Share Posted August 8, 2022 (edited) 10 hours ago, danasgoodstuff said: So the original piano solo from Blue Train take 9 that was pasted over with the solo from take 8 remains unissued? Acc. to the notes at "The Ultimate Blue Train" (1987), the piano solo from Take 9 has not survived. And here is Mr Fuller's signature on my Ultimate CD sleeve: Edited August 8, 2022 by RiRiIII Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hbbfam Posted August 9, 2022 Report Share Posted August 9, 2022 21 hours ago, RiRiIII said: Blue Train: Complete Masters [SHM-SACD] [Limited Release] John Coltrane SACD Blue Train (MONO) [SHM-SACD] [Limited Release] John Coltrane SACD Thank you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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