Miles Davis Bootleg Series Vol. 6

[David Ayers]

17 minutes ago, Stefan Wood said:

Ordered from Amazon UK.  

Been enjoying a non jazz box set lately, The Fall Singles, which has turned out to be one of the best boxed sets I have ever heard.

Did you go for the A-side only set or the frustratingly incomplete A + B side set?

[brownie]

Did not intend to get that volume 6 but the price was unbeatable when I saw à copy today. Will give it a  full listen over the weekend. 

One thing that really surprised me was the Jean-Pierre Leloir photo on page 26 of the accompanying booklet. It shows Miles with visitors backstage at the Olympia.

Next to Miles is none other than Mezz Mezzrow!

 

And it's Jan Johansson on the left. Jan was playing with the Stan Getz quartet that evening.

 

Leloir was all over the scene that evening, as usual. ..

 

[Clunky]

51 minutes ago, brownie said:

Did not intend to get that volume 6 but the price was unbeatable when I saw à copy today. Will give it a  full listen over the weekend. 

One thing that really surprised me was the Jean-Pierre Leloir photo on page 26 of the accompanying booklet. It shows Miles with visitors backstage at the Olympia.

Next to Miles is none other than Mezz Mezzrow!

 

And it's Jan Johansson on the left. Jan was playing with the Stan Getz quartet that evening.

 

Leloir was all over the scene that evening, as usual. ..

 

I was surprised that Jan Johansson wasn’t identified. That made me wonder if I was wrong. He’s not a minor figure in Swedish jazz so he ought to have been named.

[Rooster_Ties]

Whole entire set is up on YouTube as legit audio-only uploads (link supplied down below).  Not suggesting that's any kind of replacement for the real deal -- but until the price comes down a bit, I'm listening this way, at least this afternoon.

Also, based on the detailed entry at Discogs -- I *thought* I already had almost all this stuff (everything except Olympia, Paris) -- but it looks like I'm also missing the Copenhagen material too (because what I have is apparently the 'TCB, vol 31' CD of Zurich).  Of course I have the Stockholm material too -- but from this set, Stockholm is apparently *ALL* I actually own (in any way, shape, or form).

I guess that changes my calculus slightly, but still, it's hard for me to get TOO overly excited about Miles in 1960 -- perhaps because I'm more intellectually interested in Trane here, than I really am 'moved' by it.  Anyway, this link is actually to the entire playlist for the *entire* set -- but may just come up here (embedded) as a single video (tune) only.

I'm the outlier on this board who's never gotten bitten hard by the Trane bug.  TONS of mad respect, of course -- but for whatever reason, I'm just not moved by his more "Impluse!-era"-like approaches (which leave me somewhat cold).  Heck, I've never even gone through any serious infatuation with his Atlantic-era stuff (or never for any sustained period).

When I finally break down and get this, I'm sure I'll find it all incredibly interesting -- but I doubt I'll revisit any of it more than once every year or two.  I barely play the Stockholm Miles/Trane thing I have that much now (though I had more fun with it 20 years ago).

 

Edited March 30, 2018 by Rooster_Ties

[CJ Shearn]

Just be sure to catch that Trane obsessive hammering of a blues cliche on "All Blues" for nearly two minutes on disc 4!  Priceless.

[Rooster_Ties]

38 minutes ago, CJ Shearn said:

Just be sure to catch that Trane obsessive hammering of a blues cliche on "All Blues" for nearly two minutes on disc 4!  Priceless.

Assuming that's from Stockholm, my god, that's driven me up a wall for 25 years now.  I don't mind the approach at all (the 'sound'), but that degree of repetition (of anything) just doesn't work for repeated spins.  Might have been a more positive(?) effect in the hall that night, but it's the kind of thing one could argue might need some trimming for release on record.  (Blasphemy, I know, but some judicious editing of some bass solos and/or drum solos (that really need it) have never bothered me.)

My 2 cents, FWIW.

[JSngry]

It wasn't made for a record, it was made to be heard right there on the spot and then it would be over.

That any of this jazz stuff holds up on record is a miracle, really. Pop records, classical music, soundtrack music, that is all made to be heard again. Jazz...if one can accept that a lot of it is pleasurable for mostly emotional purposes, then one should also deal with how there's a good chunk of it now that still holds up no matter how long you listen to it or from what angle you look at it.

Me, I'll take Trane reating (aka "worrying") a lick for two minutes over Phillip Glass jacking off for two hours..or two seconds for that matter. Glass is like...intellectual music porn or something, too contrived. Trane is doing it for the meaning from his gut, and he kept his brain involved too.

He's one of those few guys who, ok if you don't "like" him, ok. But past that, you're wrong. Period. Bird's like that too, if you can't get Bird by now, you're just not hearing music as it is, you're fucking willfully ignorant, auditorilly impaired, whatever. Because the math has been done, the math is correct, and these are the guys that made the math in the form they did, it has been examined, tested, challenged, and it still works, they did it, they were right. Not their imitators, them. Argue with math all you want, but good luck with that.

There's really not many people like that in the history of the world, but there are some.

[CJ Shearn]

7 hours ago, Rooster_Ties said:

Assuming that's from Stockholm, my god, that's driven me up a wall for 25 years now.  I don't mind the approach at all (the 'sound'), but that degree of repetition (of anything) just doesn't work for repeated spins.  Might have been a more positive(?) effect in the hall that night, but it's the kind of thing one could argue might need some trimming for release on record.  (Blasphemy, I know, but some judicious editing of some bass solos and/or drum solos (that really need it) have never bothered me.)

My 2 cents, FWIW.

Yes, the Koncerthuset.  It IS overkill, but it's just one of those unexplainable musical things that makes me laugh out loud.  Right now I'm just glowing over  a long talk with Lenny White after meeting him last night after a Mobius gig.  I'm over the moon right now, another one of my heroes.  In relation to jazz styles, labels, etc he told me something that will stick with me the rest of my life, "people don't think logically, they think historically."  And I said something about in jazz rock so many people just want louder, faster but he gave me a historical insight of that music from the inside that was so heavy, it's gonna stick with me forever.  Great cat to talk with.

[felser]

13 hours ago, CJ Shearn said:

he gave me a historical insight of that music from the inside that was so heavy, it's gonna stick with me forever.

Please share it with us!

[David Ayers]

That music- like existence - is a big comic nothing - ?

[CJ Shearn]

10 hours ago, felser said:

Please share it with us!

Lenny was playing in Pete Levin's Mobius group.  It won't be that revelatory to most here, it's more what the experience was for me as a still proving myself mid thirties writer.  It's things he said about the development of jazz-rock when BB was being recorded, it wasn't just a thing that was about music being faster, louder, but it was jazz musicians trying to do their version of rock, it's nothing that he hasn't said in print-- but it blew me away hearing it so candidly.  He loves  to pass  knowledge down to younger fans and musicians.  He said "people don't think logically, they think historically".  The reason why it was so insightful for me because when listening to jazz, I've struggled with trying to label it, and not even try.  I've even not wanted to even use the word jazz honestly for several years. Having a heavy discussion with living history, someone I've admired and listened to for years was incredible, it wasn't so much about jazz, but society, wanting to pass on tidbits to a new generation.  The fact he took serious interest and with me on a deep level for a half an hour was an honor beyond belief.  He's a natural teacher, loves passing on knowledge, he's an incredibly thoughtful person.  Just an evolved spirit really, same when I've talked with Metheny, Antonio Sanchez, Dave Liebman, when I met Jack DeJohnette 10 years ago, when you are in the presence of that, the feeling is indescribable.    I think the reason why it impacted me so much is because living history, something I only experienced on records and reading became real, something tangible.      I am going to hear all music differently I think just from talking with him, because no matter how much I think I know, discussing music with a giant on that level makes you think differently.  A very humbling, beautiful experience.  Possibly may do a podcast down the line, we'll see.

Ira Coleman was a joy to talk to as well, I mentioned Tony Williams "Tokyo Live" is probably my favorite Williams album, and he told me what a blast that band was, how much of a joy it was to play with Tony.  Though he feels the bass sound is on those albums a bit odd, he said that's how Tony heard it in the band, that kind of gut string 60's Ron Carter sound.  He said that band was truly a team effort and Tony was so proud to have him as a bassist.  I mentioned that there was more music recorded than released and he told me 4 nights of music were recorded, would love to see it released someday.  I always thought the complete run of Tokyo sessions would make a great Mosaic.

Edited April 1, 2018 by CJ Shearn

[SMB1968]

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[Kevin Bresnahan]

8 hours ago, SMB1968 said:

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[felser]

1 hour ago, Kevin Bresnahan said:

Another ebay seller with a reputation for taking orders on items they can't deliver. Buyer beware. If you get one, consider yourself lucky.

I've never had problems with MovieMars, have ordered dozens if not hundreds of items from them over the years.  So YMMV.

[Rooster_Ties]

15 hours ago, felser said:

I've never had problems with MovieMars, have ordered dozens if not hundreds of items from them over the years.  So YMMV.

I've bought a ton from them too. Their only big failing is sometimes listing more obscure things as being available, when they really aren't (I think I've had that happen a time or two, maybe). But for regular, mainstream 'commodity'-type stuff, they're usually reliable in my experience.

Edited April 2, 2018 by Rooster_Ties

[CJ Shearn]

I wonder if this set was pressed in lower numbers b/c Columbia/Legacy is shifting their focus? That's why I got mine at a B&N, a bit more expensive, but musically worth it IMO.

[Stefan Wood]

On 3/30/2018 at 9:08 AM, David Ayers said:

Did you go for the A-side only set or the frustratingly incomplete A + B side set?

The seven disc set.  And no, I don't find it frustrating.   Not at all.

[Adam]

Movie Mars is sold out

 

[David Ayers]

5 hours ago, Stefan Wood said:

The seven disc set.  And no, I don't find it frustrating.   Not at all.

Cool. A couple of my favorites are missing...

[David Ayers]

18 hours ago, CJ Shearn said:

I wonder if this set was pressed in lower numbers b/c Columbia/Legacy is shifting their focus? That's why I got mine at a B&N, a bit more expensive, but musically worth it IMO.

 

Not up to speed on this. What do we know about this being limited?

[sidewinder]

Even the bog standard HMVs over here on the High Streets have plenty of copies of this so evidence on the ground is that this is anything but ‘limited’.

Edited April 2, 2018 by sidewinder

[CJ Shearn]

3 hours ago, David Ayers said:

 

Not up to speed on this. What do we know about this being limited?

Nothing other than a feeling and speculation based on this, which was posted earlier though it does say box sets will continue to be made.  Sorry about the confusion!  Also the fact that Amazon suddenly jumped in price and shipping status to 8-11 days after realize.  You'd think b/c it's Miles it'd be plentiful but I guess not. http://variety.com/2018/music/news/sony-music-overhauls-legacy-label-to-adapt-to-streaming-world-exclusive-1202736691/

[mjzee]

My guess is they ordered too few for its initial pressing, and were caught short.  It's possible they press in Europe for worldwide distribution.  Amazon raised its prices because dynamic pricing is hard-coded into their system.  I'll be patient; the price should come down soon.

[David Ayers]

40 minutes ago, mjzee said:

My guess is they ordered too few for its initial pressing, and were caught short.  It's possible they press in Europe for worldwide distribution.  Amazon raised its prices because dynamic pricing is hard-coded into their system.  I'll be patient; the price should come down soon.

Although who knows really how their matrix works.  I ordered an item today at a good price and saw that the price had gone down immediately after I ordered it. Usually if you order an item that has been descending in price it leaps back up.

 

 

PS yes I’d have been surprised if this had been limited - if you can’t sell Miles and Coltrane...

[Scott Dolan]

I don't think it has anything to do with the names involved, it's more likely because it's a box set, which traditionally doesn't have the widest appeal. And CDs in general aren't huge sellers these days. 

Hell, how long has the Complete Live At The Plugged Nickel been OOP. A decade or so? 

Edited April 2, 2018 by Scott Dolan