jazzbo Posted October 24, 2017 Report Share Posted October 24, 2017 Sonny Clark news: http://wbgo.org/post/sonny-clark-steps-out-shadows-revelatory-new-reissue-1960#stream/0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenLowe Posted October 24, 2017 Report Share Posted October 24, 2017 (edited) does anybody else notice Clark's stylistic debt to Duke Jordan? A lot of very on-the-beat phrasing. Edited October 24, 2017 by AllenLowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Posted October 24, 2017 Report Share Posted October 24, 2017 I take it that this is only a LP release. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted October 24, 2017 Report Share Posted October 24, 2017 Yeah, seriously? I'd prefer a hi-res download to an LP for something like this. Ideally, a CD issue. 4 sides, gotta turn them over and back again, wtf? And/or, just alternate takes, is that all that will be new? I mean, I'd seriously be in for this on a digital release. The original album is my favorite Clark, period. But the vinyl is likely to be pricey, no? Damn hipsters... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gould Posted October 24, 2017 Report Share Posted October 24, 2017 Weren't alternates included on the Time CD reissue (I am guessing mine was bought early 90s)? Or are all the alternates "new"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted October 24, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2017 Seven alternate takes (6 of the 7 compositions, one with two alternates) were released on the most recent Japanese cd from Solid Records. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Bresnahan Posted October 24, 2017 Report Share Posted October 24, 2017 I thought the Time masters were lost? The earliest CD issues would seem to indicate that they didn't have the best tapes back then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghost of miles Posted October 24, 2017 Report Share Posted October 24, 2017 Sam Stephenson told me this was in the works, but disappointed to see that it's vinyl-only. 5 hours ago, JSngry said: Yeah, seriously? I'd prefer a hi-res download to an LP for something like this. Ideally, a CD issue. 4 sides, gotta turn them over and back again, wtf? And/or, just alternate takes, is that all that will be new? I mean, I'd seriously be in for this on a digital release. The original album is my favorite Clark, period. But the vinyl is likely to be pricey, no? Damn hipsters... No kidding. Today I was looking up Mahavishnu's Inner Mounting Flame on Amazon for this afternoon's posted program playlist and noticed that Amazon currently sells the CD for $4.19, the LP for $28.79. That's not an unusual price ratio and hasn't been for the past few years, but still makes me glad that I prefer the CD format. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Nelson Posted October 25, 2017 Report Share Posted October 25, 2017 Re: Kevin's: "The earliest CD issues would seem to indicate that they didn't have the best tapes back then." This comment shouldn't apply to the 2003 CD 'Sonny Clark Trio' by Audio Fidelity (AFZ 2006). "Mastered from the original Bell Sound three-track session tapes and two-track master mixes at Kevin Gray's AcousTech Mastering." The SACD was compiled and remastered by Steve Hoffman. The first eight tracks are 'master takes', plus an additional five 'alternate takes'. (Interestingly, the recording dates given are January 2 and 6, 1959.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clifford_thornton Posted October 25, 2017 Report Share Posted October 25, 2017 Great music -- have an early 70s Japanese pressing of the original LP but will pick this up for the alternates and the fact that Tompkins Square is an excellent label. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel A Posted October 25, 2017 Report Share Posted October 25, 2017 7 hours ago, ghost of miles said: 7 hours ago, ghost of miles said: Today I was looking up Mahavishnu's Inner Mounting Flame on Amazon for this afternoon's posted program playlist and noticed that Amazon currently sells the CD for $4.19, the LP for $28.79. That's not an unusual price ratio and hasn't been for the past few years, but still makes me glad that I prefer the CD format. Unfortunately, if you prefer CD and want the alternate takes you will have to shell out even more; a used copy of one of the Japanese CD releases is almost $100. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted October 25, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2017 (edited) 5 hours ago, Daniel A said: Unfortunately, if you prefer CD and want the alternate takes you will have to shell out even more; a used copy of one of the Japanese CD releases is almost $100. True for the earlier cd, but this has been reissued this year in Japan and is available at a budget price with seven alternates. Edited October 25, 2017 by jazzbo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel A Posted October 25, 2017 Report Share Posted October 25, 2017 Thanks Lon, great info! Somehow I had missed that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Bresnahan Posted October 25, 2017 Report Share Posted October 25, 2017 14 hours ago, Bill Nelson said: Re: Kevin's: "The earliest CD issues would seem to indicate that they didn't have the best tapes back then." This comment shouldn't apply to the 2003 CD 'Sonny Clark Trio' by Audio Fidelity (AFZ 2006). "Mastered from the original Bell Sound three-track session tapes and two-track master mixes at Kevin Gray's AcousTech Mastering." The SACD was compiled and remastered by Steve Hoffman. The first eight tracks are 'master takes', plus an additional five 'alternate takes'. (Interestingly, the recording dates given are January 2 and 6, 1959.) I have that SACD but missed that they used the master tapes for it. If memory serves, the CD that this SACD replaced on my CD shelf did not sound all that great. Bainbridge/Time wasn't it? I can't confirm as I gave it away after picking up the SACD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dmitry Posted October 25, 2017 Report Share Posted October 25, 2017 2 hours ago, Kevin Bresnahan said: I have that SACD but missed that they used the master tapes for it. If memory serves, the CD that this SACD replaced on my CD shelf did not sound all that great. Bainbridge/Time wasn't it? I can't confirm as I gave it away after picking up the SACD. The sacd doesn't sound that great either, nor does the original vinyl [both recollections are from memory; haven't played this title in years]. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Nelson Posted October 25, 2017 Report Share Posted October 25, 2017 I'm pleased with the clean and clear sound of the Audio Fidelity SACD/DSD. As for the Bainbridge CD (BCD-1044), it was likely the first available version on CD (maybe 1990) and it only has 8 tracks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlhoots Posted October 25, 2017 Report Share Posted October 25, 2017 Nice jacket cover on this new release. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeweil Posted October 25, 2017 Report Share Posted October 25, 2017 Another vote for the Audiofidelity SACD, which sounds great to my ears - definitely better than the Bainbridge LP I had before. The high resolution layer sounds better than the CD layer, of course. But I would agree that there are better sounding trio recordings from those years. This trio is my favourite Sonny Clark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted October 25, 2017 Report Share Posted October 25, 2017 What are we saying here, that if you can get this Audiofidelity thing that you'll have everything that is going to be on thise 2 LP release? Or is that not what we are saying? Either way, that Apatow guy strikes again, somehow. Good for him, but something for us non-hipsters, please? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeweil Posted October 26, 2017 Report Share Posted October 26, 2017 9 hours ago, JSngry said: What are we saying here, that if you can get this Audiofidelity thing that you'll have everything that is going to be on thise 2 LP release? Probably - but to make sure, check the tracklists. But the photos in the article linked, obviously from the session, are nice - that would be a motivation to get the new LP reissue. Never saw them before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soulpope Posted October 26, 2017 Report Share Posted October 26, 2017 2 hours ago, mikeweil said: But the photos in the article linked, obviously from the session, are nice .... Agreed .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted October 26, 2017 Report Share Posted October 26, 2017 I like that second one, of Sonny checking his cell phone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soulpope Posted October 26, 2017 Report Share Posted October 26, 2017 1 hour ago, JSngry said: I like that second one, of Sonny checking his cell phone. .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel A Posted October 26, 2017 Report Share Posted October 26, 2017 "Got to post this recording session on Instagram!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted October 26, 2017 Report Share Posted October 26, 2017 On 10/24/2017 at 6:05 PM, Dan Gould said: Weren't alternates included on the Time CD reissue (I am guessing mine was bought early 90s)? Or are all the alternates "new"? I have a Japanese version from 2001 with 4 alternates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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