Jazzmoose Posted March 4, 2004 Report Posted March 4, 2004 does thi smean no more resissues ever???? trhis suckjs. that uis funny CCR is the reason fantasy bought prestige. that is all ccr are good for. haha bullshit. creedence is the best american singles band that ever was. Quote
J.A.W. Posted March 4, 2004 Report Posted March 4, 2004 does thi smean no more resissues ever???? trhis suckjs. that uis funny CCR is the reason fantasy bought prestige. that is all ccr are good for. haha bullshit. creedence is the best american singles band that ever was. Seconded (the I mean... ) Quote
Jim Alfredson Posted March 4, 2004 Report Posted March 4, 2004 What exactly defines an American Singles band? Quote
chris olivarez Posted March 4, 2004 Report Posted March 4, 2004 Hans I thought that might have been where you were coming from but I wasn't totally sure. I wonder if the pre lawsuit album has any value to it? Quote
J.A.W. Posted March 4, 2004 Report Posted March 4, 2004 I wonder if the pre lawsuit album has any value to it? I doubt it, I don't think too many people were aware of what was going on. Quote
wesbed Posted March 4, 2004 Report Posted March 4, 2004 I purchased Centerfield when it was new. I have all the Creedence output on CD. I never heard the Zans Can't Dance story till I read it on these boards. Not that I'm doubting it... I just never heard it before. I suppose I didn't know what was going on. Again, it's amazing what you can learn on this bulletin board. Quote
chris olivarez Posted March 4, 2004 Report Posted March 4, 2004 It happened alright. Fogerty and Zaentz had a hostile relationship and the issue as you might imagine was money. This board is definitely a good place to learn something. Quote
Jazzmoose Posted March 4, 2004 Report Posted March 4, 2004 What exactly defines an American Singles band? Some say "Bad Moon Rising"; some say "Fortunate Son". Quote
Tom in RI Posted March 4, 2004 Report Posted March 4, 2004 Speaking of Fortunate Son, see this: http://www.cent.com/abetting/Jon1202.html for more insight into the ZaentzFogarty riff. If I recall correctly Fogarty refused to play CCR songs for a long time since he didn't want Zaentz to profit from them. Quote
robviti Posted March 4, 2004 Report Posted March 4, 2004 (edited) What exactly defines an American Singles band? This arose from a discussion I had with some of the locals at a popular used cd shop in Boston (Looney Tunes) last year. The criteria for nominees were 1) it had to be a band, not a solo act (singer plus whoever); 2) it had to be an american outfit (that disqualified the beatles, stones, etc.); and 3) the largest number of great single song releases (and that eliminated nominees that recorded your favorite album). needless to say, these criteria were set just for the sake of this discussion. no prejudice was implied against those who didn't fall within that category. I'll admit, CCR didin't immediately come to my mind. But after someone said it and we bantered back and forth, the consensus was that CCR ruled in this domain. Want proof, how about: Bad Moon Rising, Down On The Corner, Fortunate Son, Green River, Proud Mary, Long As I Can See The Light, Lookin' Out My Back Door, Run Through The Jungle, Travelin' Band, Up Around The Bend, Who'll Stop The Rain, Have You Ever Seen The Rain, Hey Tonight, Sweet Hitch-Hiker, Someday Never Comes, I Heard It Through The Grapevine... I'm sure others can name a few more of their favorites. BTW, I think Cosmos's Factory is one of the ten best american rock albums of the 70's, although this is probably a more contestable opinion. Edited March 4, 2004 by jazzshrink Quote
Dan Gould Posted March 4, 2004 Report Posted March 4, 2004 When I saw Jazzshrink's comment I was in total agreement. In fact, you might add another qualifier, that of best American singles band over the briefest time period. Their string of hit records only stretched about 2, 2 1/2 years, and its pretty amazing when you consider how many of them there were. Quote
Pete C Posted March 4, 2004 Report Posted March 4, 2004 I thought American Singles referred to "pasteurized processed cheese food." Quote
ghost of miles Posted March 4, 2004 Report Posted March 4, 2004 It will be sold for the CCR recordings and the films (if included). Buy what you NEED soon. My sentiments exactly. I'm going to thumb through the catalog when I get home tonight and circle everything I've wanted but put off buying... This doesn't bode well at all. Also remember that Fantasy owns their own warehouse, which is a big reason (so I've been told) why they've been able to keep almost everything in-print for so long. An unusual situation that will likely not be replicated in the event of new ownership. Damn, if only Mosaic had the major capital to pick them up... Quote
Pete C Posted March 4, 2004 Report Posted March 4, 2004 Don't forget that they're on Emusic too, and that could change (though perhaps not if Concord were the buyer). I downloaded several hundred Fantasy catalog titles when Emusic offered unlimited downloads. Quote
catesta Posted March 4, 2004 Report Posted March 4, 2004 My sentiments exactly. I'm going to thumb through the catalog when I get home tonight and circle everything I've wanted but put off buying... I pulled the catalog out lastnight. Quote
Dr. Rat Posted March 4, 2004 Report Posted March 4, 2004 Don't forget that they're on Emusic too, and that could change (though perhaps not if Concord were the buyer). I downloaded several hundred Fantasy catalog titles when Emusic offered unlimited downloads. Concord is still owned Alliance Entertainment, or no? --eric Quote
Chuck Nessa Posted March 4, 2004 Report Posted March 4, 2004 Concord was sold a couple years back to a group headed by Norman Lear. Not sure what has happened since. Quote
BruceH Posted March 4, 2004 Report Posted March 4, 2004 Well this is shitty news to wake up to. Quote
Chrome Posted March 4, 2004 Report Posted March 4, 2004 Concord was sold a couple years back to a group headed by Norman Lear. Not sure what has happened since. Norman Lear the TV guy? Quote
Brad Posted March 4, 2004 Report Posted March 4, 2004 The sentiment seems to be buy what you need now because you might not be able to get it after the sale. I guess my question (and maybe I'm just thick about this) is why is that the prevailing sentiment? I mean I'm not saying it couldn't happen but why do the experts here think that happen. Quote
Dr. Rat Posted March 4, 2004 Report Posted March 4, 2004 I'm not quite in RUN! RUN OUT AND BUY! mode just yet (I couldn't buy much anyhow), but watching record companies for years and years do the same stupid things, and not do very obvious things that might sell a few records, and inventing all-new dumb things to do . . . Some companies have pretty good catalog management policies. Others suck big time. So, depending on who buys . . . well, you just never know. --eric Quote
randyhersom Posted March 4, 2004 Report Posted March 4, 2004 (edited) Throughout most of its history, a majority of classic jazz has been out of print. In 1976, about ten years after its release, Larry Young's Unity LP was a priced rarity. Those of us who have observed the scene for many years are quite impressed, nearly shocked, at how well Fantasy has been doing at keeping things in print. Blue Note does not do nearly as well, but may enhance the collectability of their products through such policies, and encourage the buy-it-while-you-see-it mindset. Verve is sitting on thousands of hours of prime American musical tradition which has very little chance of getting back in print under their stewardship. I'd like to see the Smithsonian get a hold of the Fantasy jazz catalog, either keeping it in print through on-demand CDRs or making it available for download. Edited March 4, 2004 by randyhersom Quote
Stefan Wood Posted March 4, 2004 Report Posted March 4, 2004 Which would never happen because the Smithsonian just doesn't have the funds to run that kind of an operation, especially at a non profit. Remember they severely cut Folkways back some years ago.... Quote
wesbed Posted March 4, 2004 Report Posted March 4, 2004 (edited) I'd like to see the Smithsonian get a hold of the Fantasy jazz catalog, either keeping it in print through on-demand CDRs or making it available for download. A good idea. I'd like to see the same. However, we'll have to follow the money trail to see where the Fantasy Jazz catalog goes. It will go to he who has the most cash. Which may or may not be appreciated by the lovers of jazz. Edited March 4, 2004 by wesbed Quote
Jazzmoose Posted March 4, 2004 Report Posted March 4, 2004 The sentiment seems to be buy what you need now because you might not be able to get it after the sale. I guess my question (and maybe I'm just thick about this) is why is that the prevailing sentiment? I mean I'm not saying it couldn't happen but why do the experts here think that happen. Just general pessimism, I guess, but look at it this way: there's no way the availability of these titles is going to improve. Quote
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