HutchFan Posted Monday at 03:37 PM Report Posted Monday at 03:37 PM (edited) Edited Monday at 03:38 PM by HutchFan Quote
rostasi Posted Monday at 03:56 PM Report Posted Monday at 03:56 PM One of the Covid newsletters that I regularly get always features a music video at the end of it. Surprised, and delighted, to see this one featured: Quote
soulpope Posted Monday at 04:42 PM Report Posted Monday at 04:42 PM 45 minutes ago, rostasi said: Surprised, and delighted, to see this one featured: Superb playing by Cecil McBee .... Quote
Peter Friedman Posted Monday at 05:24 PM Report Posted Monday at 05:24 PM (edited) Sonny Clark has some fine solos on this session Edited Monday at 05:30 PM by Peter Friedman Quote
soulpope Posted Monday at 05:47 PM Report Posted Monday at 05:47 PM 10 minutes ago, HutchFan said: Schema-Rearward CD reissue What are your impressions .... ? Quote
HutchFan Posted Monday at 05:54 PM Report Posted Monday at 05:54 PM (edited) 11 minutes ago, soulpope said: What are your impressions .... ? I like it! IMO, Off-Limits is an excellent final chapter for the CBBB -- putting aside the collaborations with Stan Getz & Carmen McRae. Any you? What do you think? Edited Monday at 05:59 PM by HutchFan Quote
soulpope Posted Monday at 06:06 PM Report Posted Monday at 06:06 PM 3 minutes ago, HutchFan said: I like it! IMO, Off-Limits is an excellent final chapter for the CBBB -- aside from the collaboration with Getz. Any you? What do you think? Really love the CBBB and although a good effort this swansong also mirrors a bit "jazz-rock" territory championed by MPS stablemates Peter Herbolzheimer Rhythm Combination & Brass subsequently, means more groove oriented than sophisticated .... Quote
HutchFan Posted Monday at 06:18 PM Report Posted Monday at 06:18 PM (edited) 17 minutes ago, soulpope said: Really love the CBBB and although a good effort this swansong also mirrors a bit "jazz-rock" territory championed by MPS stablemates Peter Herbolzheimer Rhythm Combination & Brass subsequently, means more groove oriented than sophisticated .... Fair enough. That said, I wouldn't describe the album as "groove oriented." To my ears, rather than rock, it's Boland's compositions that increasingly rely on 20th c. "classical" techniques that sets the album apart. You hear more of the same on the Getz record, A Change of Scene. My 2 cents. EDIT I'm listening to Off-Limits again. And, well, maybe some of the music is rock-ish and groove oriented. Point taken. In any case, I enjoy the music. Edited Monday at 06:28 PM by HutchFan Quote
jazzcorner Posted Monday at 06:33 PM Report Posted Monday at 06:33 PM 1 hour ago, John Tapscott said: 😁 Quote
JSngry Posted Monday at 06:34 PM Author Report Posted Monday at 06:34 PM I don't understand how "groove oriented" and "sophisticated" are an either/or proposition .... Quote
soulpope Posted Monday at 06:48 PM Report Posted Monday at 06:48 PM 17 minutes ago, HutchFan said: Fair enough. That said, I wouldn't describe the album as "groove oriented." To my ears, rather than rock, it's Boland's compositions that increasingly rely on 20th c. "classical" techniques that sets the album apart. You hear more of the same on the Getz record, A Change of Scene. My 2 cents. EDIT I'm listening to Off-Limits again. And, well, maybe some of the music is rock-ish and groove oriented. Point taken. In any case, I enjoy the music. Don't get me wrong, this is exiting music .... it was the beginning of the 70's and the music was changing .... but maybe it has a reason, that this was- apart from the Stan Getz collaboration - their last album .... I had a lengthy talk with Gigi Campi in the late 90's and he stated that it became increasingly tedious holding the key members of the CBBB together .... "crossover" to more popular music was tempting .... means it was also about money .... Quote
HutchFan Posted Monday at 06:58 PM Report Posted Monday at 06:58 PM 1 minute ago, soulpope said: Don't get me wrong, this is exiting music .... it was the beginning of the 70's and the music was changing .... but maybe it has a reason, that this was- apart from the Stan Getz collaboration - their last album .... I had a lengthy talk with Gigi Campi in the late 90's and he stated that it became increasingly tedious holding the key members of the CBBB together .... "crossover" to more popular music was tempting .... means it was also about money .... If this album represents a play for the marketplace, they had some odd ideas about what would sell. Because I think this music is FAR from "commercial." Particularly the Boland compositions, which move very far afield from traditional big band sounds. Quote
JSngry Posted Monday at 07:05 PM Author Report Posted Monday at 07:05 PM I had always heard that the death of Derek Humble was a blow to the spirit of the band grow which they never fully recovered?: Quote
soulpope Posted Monday at 07:08 PM Report Posted Monday at 07:08 PM 2 minutes ago, HutchFan said: If this album represents a play for the marketplace, they had some odd ideas about what would sell. Because I think this music is FAR from "commercial." Particularly the Boland compositions, which move very far afield from traditional big band sounds. Probably misleading, my bad .... individual CBBB musicians aimed for more commercial music, whereas Francy Boland had different ideas about the Big Band's sound in the 70's .... "Off Limits" set these diverging views even more apart .... Quote
HutchFan Posted Monday at 07:09 PM Report Posted Monday at 07:09 PM 1 minute ago, soulpope said: Probably misleading, my bad .... individual CBBB musicians aimed for more commercial music, whereas Francy Boland had different ideas about the Big Band's sound in the 70's .... "Off Limits" set these diverging views even more apart .... No need for an apology! We're just talkin'! 5 minutes ago, JSngry said: I had always heard that the death of Derek Humble was a blow to the spirit of the band grow which they never fully recovered?: I've never heard that. Interesting. I just read Humble's Wikipedia page. It seems that he died in '71 after a terrible beating/mugging that happened in 1968. Ugh. Quote
soulpope Posted Monday at 07:36 PM Report Posted Monday at 07:36 PM 20 minutes ago, HutchFan said: No need for an apology! We're just talkin'! I've never heard that. Interesting. I just read Humble's Wikipedia page. It seems that he died in '71 after a terrible beating/mugging that happened in 1968. Ugh. An additional blow for the CBBB was that they never "crossed over" to the U.S .... after winning the "Melody Maker" Big Band poll in 1969 an extensive U.S Tour was in the plans, but never did materialize .... Ex-pat Herb Geller was chosen as Derek Humble's substitute.... Quote
jazzbo Posted Monday at 08:29 PM Report Posted Monday at 08:29 PM Miles Davis “The Complete Live At The Plugged Nickel 1965” SACD box set, disc 2 and 3 Quote
soulpope Posted Monday at 08:42 PM Report Posted Monday at 08:42 PM CBBB key members at work .... features some unissued tracks .... Quote
Peter Friedman Posted Monday at 09:03 PM Report Posted Monday at 09:03 PM 1 hour ago, soulpope said: An additional blow for the CBBB was that they never "crossed over" to the U.S .... after winning the "Melody Maker" Big Band poll in 1969 an extensive U.S Tour was in the plans, but never did materialize .... Ex-pat Herb Geller was chosen as Derek Humble's substitute.... My definite preference is for the early CCBB recordings. I never really cared much for the album with Getz nor with Off Limits. Also found the use of 2 drummers to be less than ideal. Kenny Clarke was one of the best drummers around, and more than able to handle the drum part for the band. Sometimes I found the sound of the 2 drummers playing together irritating. Quote
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