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Warm again! Starting off with

Chet Baker “The Complete Timeless Records Albums Collection” disc 1, Kirk Lightsey's "Everything Happens to Me"

 

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On 3/29/2025 at 1:04 PM, Rabshakeh said:

Archie Shepp - Blue Ballads

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I really struggle with this period of Shepp. He seems to run out of breath quite a lot and there's a samba version of "If I Should Lose You" where he doesn't seem to be able to control his horn. Maybe it is on purpose. 

I never dug those Venus records as well. I see what you mean with his playing. I think Shepp could really blow a beatufiul ballad. The duets with Mal Waldron are amazing as are those with Horace Parlan. It's more the music as a whole plus the chosen repertoire that I dislike. Pharoah Sanders made a similar move in the 90's and I don't visit those records a lot too. Not that it's bad, it's just they made a lot more interesting music.

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41 minutes ago, Pim said:

I never dug those Venus records as well. I see what you mean with his playing. I think Shepp could really blow a beatufiul ballad. The duets with Mal Waldron are amazing as are those with Horace Parlan. It's more the music as a whole plus the chosen repertoire that I dislike. Pharoah Sanders made a similar move in the 90's and I don't visit those records a lot too. Not that it's bad, it's just they made a lot more interesting music.

I differ a bit with you on those Sanders recordings. I really like "Crescent With Love", a 2 CD release from Evidence that combines two Venus sessions ("Ballads With Love" & "Crescent With Love") into one package. I play these CDs quite often. I got to see this band live at the Regattabar shortly after these were released and thoroughly enjoyed the music.  I do remember Pharoah giving the bassist a bit more solo space than I would have preferred. 10 minute bass solos might be fine for the leader but seemed a bit much for a Pharoah Sanders gig.

You've just reminded me that I haven't pulled it off the shelf in a while. :)

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1 hour ago, Pim said:

I never dug those Venus records as well. I see what you mean with his playing. I think Shepp could really blow a beatufiul ballad. The duets with Mal Waldron are amazing as are those with Horace Parlan. It's more the music as a whole plus the chosen repertoire that I dislike. Pharoah Sanders made a similar move in the 90's and I don't visit those records a lot too. Not that it's bad, it's just they made a lot more interesting music.

I think the Sanders ones are much better but I never listen to them. 

15 hours ago, JSngry said:

Oh, the outcome is quite intentional.

I can crack on Shepp for some things (like long-windedness) but lack of intention would never be one of them.

If it was not controlled or intentional to one degree or another, the flow of the line would dissipate or otherwise break down.

[...] That's why the line keeps flowing, and that's why it's intentional and controlled.

I think this is precisely what I am raising issues about. There are points on that record when the line does appear to collapse to my ear. It is like if i am reading aloud and I run out of breath mid word or falter, and need to rally before proceeding. 

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17 minutes ago, Kevin Bresnahan said:

I differ a bit with you on those Sanders recordings. I really like "Crescent With Love", a 2 CD release from Evidence that combines two Venus sessions ("Ballads With Love" & "Crescent With Love") into one package. I play these CDs quite often. I got to see this band live at the Regattabar shortly after these were released and thoroughly enjoyed the music.  I do remember Pharoah giving the bassist a bit more solo space than I would have preferred. 10 minute bass solos might be fine for the leader but seemed a bit much for a Pharoah Sanders gig.

You've just reminded me that I haven't pulled it off the shelf in a while. :)

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Must say I forgot about that one and I DO like that one. I recently played Welcome To Love and found that a little boring.

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1 hour ago, Rabshakeh said:

 It is like if i am reading aloud and I run out of breath mid word or falter, and need to rally before proceeding. 

If you are a skilled storyteller, you will incorporate that into your telling and give it impact and meaning.

If you're not, you'll just be a poor soul who is SOL and who should probably go sit down and let the pros handle it.

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Pharoah Sanders - Crescent With Love (Evidence).

Playing disc 1 now. The opening track could turn off some, as Sanders' take on 'Lonnie's Lament' is a very direct imitation of Trane's version, with William Henderson doing a superb imitation of McCoy as well. While I appreciate this, others will probably "Been there, done that" this type of approach. In context, as a ballad collection highlighting Coltrane tunes, I think it fits.

And FWIW, I could also see someone thinking 2 CDs of ballads could get boring. But there is a time & place for discs like these and as I sit down to dinner with my wife, this time & this place is one of those.

I'd also add that I appreciate that Evidence toned these Venus dates down for their CDs. Venus CDs are mastered really loud.

 

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33 minutes ago, Holy Ghost said:

 

CD or LP? Or just one of the lucky few to scoop this baby up when you saw it. Anyway, nice nab. 

Solar CD from Dusty Groove, a few weeks ago. It was just sitting there on the website somehow.

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