Hardbopjazz Posted November 23, 2016 Report Share Posted November 23, 2016 That is Charlie Christian on the left, Benny Goodman in the middle, but who is the third person? One more. There are two guitarist in this photo. Christian is one, who is the other? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Hardbopjazz Posted November 23, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2016 Yes, it does look like him. Do you know the second one I posted? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted November 23, 2016 Report Share Posted November 23, 2016 Freddie Green in the second. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardbopjazz Posted November 23, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2016 Really? I didn't realize it was him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Beat Steve Posted November 23, 2016 Report Share Posted November 23, 2016 (edited) The third person in the top photograph is Arnold Covarrubias. See "Black Beauty White heat", page 288 - unless you distrust captions written by Frank Driggs as a matter of principle. The second guitarist in the bottom photograph must be Freddie Green. His posture is typical. And considering that only Basie-ites (apart from Goodman and Christian) are present in that photograph certainly are pretty clear indices. Edited November 23, 2016 by Big Beat Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted November 23, 2016 Report Share Posted November 23, 2016 1 hour ago, Hardbopjazz said: Really? I didn't realize it was him. Yeah, that's from the recording session that Goodman privately arranged, Prez & Christian together. Not released until one of these Jerry Valburn things in the 70s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted November 23, 2016 Report Share Posted November 23, 2016 1 hour ago, Big Beat Steve said: The third person in the top photograph is Arnold Covarrubias. See "Black Beauty White heat", page 288 - unless you distrust captions written by Frank Driggs as a matter of principle. The second guitarist in the bottom photograph must be Freddie Green. His posture is typical. And considering that only Basie-ites (apart from Goodman and Christian) are present in that photograph certainly are pretty clear indices. Let's just say I doubt Driggs in this instance, not necessarily as a matter of principle. My copy of the book is 50 miles away in storage. That looks like Reuss to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Beat Steve Posted November 23, 2016 Report Share Posted November 23, 2016 (edited) Reuss with such unkempt curly hair and (relatively) disorderly front teeth? THIS I doubt, in turn ... And according to the usual suspects among biographers Reuss had already been out of the Goodman band for more than one year by the time Christian joined. No conclusive proof but some indication, I'd say ... Another indication according to Bruyninckx is that Covarrubias (artist name Arnold Covey), apart from being present on various big band recordings from July, 1939, to April, 1940, was also present along with Christian at the November, 22, 1939 session of the big band where CC soloed on Honeysuckle Rose. 2 hours ago, JSngry said: Yeah, that's from the recording session that Goodman privately arranged, Prez & Christian together. Not released until one of these Jerry Valburn things in the 70s. Later withdrawn and superseded by this, according to the fine print in the liner notes. Nice to have both ... The exact picture with Freddie Green shown in the opening post is printed on the back cover of this LP, BTW. Edited November 23, 2016 by Big Beat Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted November 23, 2016 Report Share Posted November 23, 2016 https://books.google.com/books?id=-DWxyYapaBwC&pg=PR9&lpg=PR9&dq=arnold+covey+goodman&source=bl&ots=hkdr0okQLV&sig=MK0K8laKcuSKpk7z2xh7V--3Gtc&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwilqZrgkb_QAhUM_4MKHRNpBt0Q6AEIITAB#v=onepage&q=arnold%20covey%20goodman&f=false The picture is absent, but seems to be the one in the OP, and Covey is here named as the guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesoul Posted November 23, 2016 Report Share Posted November 23, 2016 1 hour ago, JSngry said: https://books.google.com/books?id=-DWxyYapaBwC&pg=PR9&lpg=PR9&dq=arnold+covey+goodman&source=bl&ots=hkdr0okQLV&sig=MK0K8laKcuSKpk7z2xh7V--3Gtc&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwilqZrgkb_QAhUM_4MKHRNpBt0Q6AEIITAB#v=onepage&q=arnold%20covey%20goodman&f=false The picture is absent, but seems to be the one in the OP, and Covey is here named as the guy. I did an image search on google of that picture, and it led me to this German music magazine website, they list him as Arnold Covay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Beat Steve Posted November 23, 2016 Report Share Posted November 23, 2016 (edited) @JSngry: Very, very likely. Because Black Beauty White Heat also names Charles Nadell as the photographer. 1 hour ago, bluesoul said: I did an image search on google of that picture, and it led me to this German music magazine website, they list him as Arnold Covay. And THEY say they took the pic from the Charlie Christian website. The people at the website might have researched too, I'd guess ... Edited November 23, 2016 by Big Beat Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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