Face of the Bass Posted October 6, 2016 Report Posted October 6, 2016 So next semester for the first time I am teaching an upper-level undergraduate course on the History of Jazz. In a way it is an offshoot of a course I currently offer on black music more generally, which has a strong focus on using music as a window into social, cultural, and political history. To supplement lecture material, I like assigning monographs, biographies, autobiographies, or even novels that explore themes related to the course and that are intended to provoke discussion and debate. I've been trying to put my course readings together and have identified some texts I want to assign, but there's a gap in material where I don't really have much on pre-1940s music. So if you guys have any suggestions on books to assign that would cover early jazz history, please leave them here. To get a sense, these are the texts I have identified as potential readings for the course so far (I won't use all of these necessarily but it's the list I'm working with right now): Leroi Jones -- Blues People Scott DeVeaux -- The Birth of Bebop Art Taylor -- Notes and Tones John Szwed -- Space is the Place Valerie Wilmer -- As Serious As Your Life Steven Feld -- Jazz Cosmopolitanism in Accra Carols Ann Muller -- Musical Echoes: South African Women Thinking in Jazz I've also considered using the George Lewis book on the AACM, but am worried it's too long and dry. I've also thought about Linda Dahl's book on Jazz Women. Thanks in advance for any suggestions you have. Quote
BillF Posted October 7, 2016 Report Posted October 7, 2016 12 hours ago, sidewinder said: Not this one.. Agreed! That set me on the wrong course for all of a year when I was 17 in 1957. Ellington stopped being a jazz musician when he hired saxophonists; anything without a banjo was no longer jazz, etc,etc. Fortunately, at 18 I heard Bird which swept all that away. Ah, the trials of youth! Quote
sidewinder Posted October 7, 2016 Report Posted October 7, 2016 (edited) 2 hours ago, BillF said: Agreed! That set me on the wrong course for all of a year when I was 17 in 1957. Ellington stopped being a jazz musician when he hired saxophonists; anything without a banjo was no longer jazz, etc,etc. Fortunately, at 18 I heard Bird which swept all that away. Ah, the trials of youth! I have a theory that there was a diabolical plot which had every secondary school and college in the U.K. given a gratis copy of this back in the 1950s to put the youngsters off the trail with total misinformation. Not knowing any better or having any other sources at hand in my school library it formed the basis of the literature to support a summer project of my own choosing (on guess what). Ended up with grand statements like the ODJB invented jazz and that jazz itself ended back in 1939.. Edited October 7, 2016 by sidewinder Quote
mikeweil Posted October 7, 2016 Report Posted October 7, 2016 Allen Lowe's That Devilin' Tune - to me the best there is. Quote
BillF Posted October 7, 2016 Report Posted October 7, 2016 2 hours ago, sidewinder said: I have a theory that there was a diabolical plot which had every secondary school and college in the U.K. given a gratis copy of this back in the 1950s to put the youngsters off the trail with total misinformation. Not knowing any better or having any other sources at hand in my school library it formed the basis of the literature to support a summer project of my own choosing (on guess what). Ended up with grand statements like the ODJB invented jazz and that jazz itself ended back in 1939.. Bruce Turner was very good on this in his autobiography, Hot Air, Cool Music. Noting that Hugues Panassié "had seen fit to magnify the importance of one small corner of the jazz scene, at the expense of everything else," he says:" Here in Britain, Rex Harris brought out a paperback Jazz which sold an alarming number of copies." Quote
lipi Posted October 7, 2016 Report Posted October 7, 2016 "Jazz Masters of the 20's" by Richard Hadlock The Gunther Schuller books "Early Jazz" and "The Swing Era" are good, but probably too in-depth for a broad survey course. "Hear Me Talkin' to Ya" by Nat Hentoff is delightful and will keep students interested and likely amused. Quote
Big Beat Steve Posted October 7, 2016 Report Posted October 7, 2016 (edited) Ira Gitler: "Swing to Bop" I find this book a LOT more fascinating than Scott DeVeaux' book on the same subject matter (mainly because - much as I like the Hawk - I find his book blows up Coleman Hawkins' importance to the development of bop WAAAAYY out of all proportion - as if Hawk was the beginning and core of ANY development of modern jazz) As for THIS focus of yours ..."which has a strong focus on using music as a window into social, cultural, and political history .." have you tried these? Lewis A. Erenberg, Swingin' The Dream - Big Band Jazz and and the rebirth of American culture David W. Stowe - Swing Changes - Big Band Jazz in New Deal America I have my troubles with both of these (and a few others in that vein) as the (scholarly) authors here and there make it plain obvious beforehand they have an agenda they are out to prove and arrange their "story" to prove their point. So the reading and understanding of these books might need to be taken with a dose of background knowledge. But STIll they make for interesting and instructive reads. And at the other extreme (going beyond "Hear Me Talkin' To Ya"), how about getting your class to sift through fact and fiction in Mezzrow's Really The Blues or pinning down the essence of Condon's We Called It Music? Edited October 7, 2016 by Big Beat Steve Quote
The Magnificent Goldberg Posted October 7, 2016 Report Posted October 7, 2016 One I like a lot, which provides a great deal of context is R J Smith's 'The great black way: LA in the 1940s and the lost African American renaissance'. MG Quote
JSngry Posted October 7, 2016 Report Posted October 7, 2016 Let a man come in and do the popcorn. Quote
Face of the Bass Posted October 7, 2016 Author Report Posted October 7, 2016 4 hours ago, Big Beat Steve said: Ira Gitler: "Swing to Bop" I find this book a LOT more fascinating than Scott DeVeaux' book on the same subject matter (mainly because - much as I like the Hawk - I find his book blows up Coleman Hawkins' importance to the development of bop WAAAAYY out of all proportion - as if Hawk was the beginning and core of ANY development of modern jazz) As for THIS focus of yours ..."which has a strong focus on using music as a window into social, cultural, and political history .." have you tried these? Lewis A. Erenberg, Swingin' The Dream - Big Band Jazz and and the rebirth of American culture David W. Stowe - Swing Changes - Big Band Jazz in New Deal America I have my troubles with both of these (and a few others in that vein) as the (scholarly) authors here and there make it plain obvious beforehand they have an agenda they are out to prove and arrange their "story" to prove their point. So the reading and understanding of these books might need to be taken with a dose of background knowledge. But STIll they make for interesting and instructive reads. And at the other extreme (going beyond "Hear Me Talkin' To Ya"), how about getting your class to sift through fact and fiction in Mezzrow's Really The Blues or pinning down the essence of Condon's We Called It Music? Thanks! Yeah, I'm not yet 100 percent on Birth of Bebop. I agree that the stuff on Hawkins is out of proportion but I like the way the book is written. So I'm not sure on that one yet. I am sure on Notes and Tones and Blues People, both books that I think will provoke a lot of discussion, and I'm almost certainly going to assign the Feld book on Jazz in Accra and the Muller book on Sathima Bea Benjamin, because I want the course to be transnational and I think both of those books do a good job of illustrating those connections. I'm also thinking about Robin D.G. Kelley's book Africa Speaks, America Answers, although I think the Feld book might cover some of those themes better than Kelley does. I haven't read Erenberg or Stowe, I will definitely be checking them out. Quote
JSngry Posted October 7, 2016 Report Posted October 7, 2016 "Music is no good if you're evil." There needs to be a pamphlet of this talk, transcribed and available in bulk. Quote
Larry Kart Posted October 7, 2016 Report Posted October 7, 2016 May I suggest:https://www.amazon.com/Jazz-Search-Itself-Larry-Kart/dp/0300104200/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1475886084&sr=1-1&keywords=larry+kart I know the author, and he's a very nice guy. Also, though it's pricey even used on Amazon, I'm pretty sure that it can be found elsewhere "remaindered" fairly cheaply. Well, I've scouted around and it seems to be expensive everywhere. Hey -- I wrote a rare book! Quote
John L Posted October 7, 2016 Report Posted October 7, 2016 I second the recommendation of Jazz in Search of Itself. For a short and concise history that your students might use as general background, I think that Ted Gioia did quite a good job on his History of Jazz. For my taste, it gives a considerably more accurate and balanced view than the long-winded Shipton volume. Quote
Milestones Posted October 7, 2016 Report Posted October 7, 2016 I liked Gary Giddins' collections of articles, such as Visions of Jazz. Quote
A Lark Ascending Posted October 8, 2016 Report Posted October 8, 2016 (edited) On earlier jazz and aimed at the less experienced listener: 24 chapters covering the big names from the The ODJB to Roy Eldridge. Rather than generalising Lyttleton focuses on particular recordings, explaining why he thinks they are outstanding and how they fit into the development of jazz. Written in plain rather than technical language. Lyttleton was a player over many decades and an open-eared broadcaster about jazz (and other things) with that ability to write about jazz without pretension. I very much enjoyed the Alyn Shipton book mentioned earlier when I read it some years back. Edited October 8, 2016 by A Lark Ascending Quote
paul secor Posted October 8, 2016 Report Posted October 8, 2016 Hear Me Talkin' To Ya by Nat Shapiro and Nat Hentoff has already been mentioned, but it's a good one to capture the spirit of jazz. Sidney Bechet's Treat It Gentle is another book that can give people a sense of the feeling of the life that's in the music. A.B. Spellman's Four Lives in the Bebop Businesss Donald M. Marquis' In Search of Buddy Bolden and Michael Ondaatje's Coming Through Slaughter capture the facts (as far as they can be known) and the myth of Buddy Bolden. You might want to present some visuals that capture some of the spirit and life of the music: Your students could find photographs and artwork online from sources such as: Swing Era New York: The Jazz Photographs of Charles Peterson Milt Hinton's photographs in Bass Line and Over Time Roy DeCarava's photographs David Hammons' artwork J.J. Sempé's The Musicians Lee Friedlander's The Jazz People of New Orleans The collection Seeing Jazz, edited by Elizabeth Goldson Sometimes visuals can give people as much of an entryway as words can. Not to tell you what to do, but I found when I was starting to listen (and even after that) that I learned and experienced more by jumping around to different eras and listening to the music in that way rather than listening strictly historically. And I found that I had a better sense of the music by listening to musicians who were possibly not "the biggest" names (though who were very good musicians) mixed in with the major names - Bubber Miley or Buck Clayton, along with Louis and Miles. for example, I hope that I don't come across as telling you what to do with your class. I don't mean to do that - just offering some ideas. Quote
The Magnificent Goldberg Posted October 8, 2016 Report Posted October 8, 2016 4 hours ago, paul secor said: Not to tell you what to do, but I found when I was starting to listen (and even after that) that I learned and experienced more by jumping around to different eras and listening to the music in that way rather than listening strictly historically. And I found that I had a better sense of the music by listening to musicians who were possibly not "the biggest" names (though who were very good musicians) mixed in with the major names - Bubber Miley or Buck Clayton, along with Louis and Miles. for example, I agree with that. Musicians who are often dismissed as 'generic' can tell the beginner MUCH more about the music and what it was for than geniuses who are VERY much individuals. Not that one shouldn't listen to geniuses, but just remember they aren't the be all and end all of anything. MG Quote
JSngry Posted October 8, 2016 Report Posted October 8, 2016 My experience has been that the music creates it's own sociology, agenda, etc. as it goes. So, as much as I appreciate the "academic" overviews, I do feel that they have a probably unavoidable tendency to fit the subject to the agenda. That's neat, clean, and most importantly, publishable. But my preference is to critically examine oral histories. As inconsistent and crazy as they can be in the aggregate, I think thattthat's where you get the reality of the experience, the truth if you will, because the truth of life is that it is inconsistent, crazy, often irreconcilable within itself. Analog life, anyway. Digital life might well produce a whole other truth in those regards. But to study jazz history, I think you need to be ready to accept a. fully sloppy analog paradigm and all the dead ends, irregular shapes, and unbalanced equations that come with that. Accept them and revel in them. Quote
Big Beat Steve Posted October 8, 2016 Report Posted October 8, 2016 (edited) 19 hours ago, Larry Kart said: May I suggest:https://www.amazon.com/Jazz-Search-Itself-Larry-Kart/dp/0300104200/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1475886084&sr=1-1&keywords=larry+kart I know the author, and he's a very nice guy. Also, though it's pricey even used on Amazon, I'm pretty sure that it can be found elsewhere "remaindered" fairly cheaply. Well, I've scouted around and it seems to be expensive everywhere. Hey -- I wrote a rare book! My copy (Amazon too) wasn't that expensive. Did I hit a scoop? But if I understood Face corectly he was asking specifically for recommendations about "early jazz" (which I loosely interpret as Pre-hard bop). This would be some 60-80 pages out of your 300-something, isn't it? Which does not invalidate your book one bit, or course, but may just explain why it was off the radar in previous recommendations. Edited October 8, 2016 by Big Beat Steve Quote
BillF Posted October 8, 2016 Report Posted October 8, 2016 2 hours ago, Big Beat Steve said: My copy (Amazon too) wasn't that expensive. Did I hit a scoop? But if I understood Face corectly he was asking specifically for recommendations about "early jazz" (which I loosely interpret as Pre-hard bop). . 20 years earlier than that - he's asking for reading on "pre-1940s music" - which is exactly why I didn't mention all those fine books on bebop that I've read! Quote
JSngry Posted October 8, 2016 Report Posted October 8, 2016 Exactly. And that's why I recommend a critical reading of oral histories of the musicians who were there. Get as many of the words as you can outside of however anybody else tried to frame them. Not that there's anything intrinsically insidious about framing, just that I think you do better when you start as close to the source as possible and then research out from there. Perhaps not at the level of fact, but as far as things like environment, culture, etc. Over the long haul, oral histories tend to introduce variables, and variables are cool if for no other reason than they illuminate fuzziness as a natural condition, not a defect to be cured. Quote
Larry Kart Posted October 9, 2016 Report Posted October 9, 2016 7 hours ago, JSngry said: Exactly. And that's why I recommend a critical reading of oral histories of the musicians who were there. Get as many of the words as you can outside of however anybody else tried to frame them. Not that there's anything intrinsically insidious about framing, just that I think you do better when you start as close to the source as possible and then research out from there. Perhaps not at the level of fact, but as far as things like environment, culture, etc. Over the long haul, oral histories tend to introduce variables, and variables are cool if for no other reason than they illuminate fuzziness as a natural condition, not a defect to be cured. Sorry -- I didn't understand. In that case, this one is close to a must, a remarkable, enlightening, and highly readable piece of scholarship:https://www.amazon.com/Pioneers-Jazz-Story-Creole-Band/dp/0199732337/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1475977837&sr=1-3&keywords=lawrence+Gushee Quote
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