joshuakennedy Posted August 7, 2016 Author Report Posted August 7, 2016 On 8/6/2016 at 9:22 PM, jlhoots said: Earlier you said it's all subjective. That's why I find lists like this a waste of time. Is the list supposed to convince someone about what is "great"?? It's just for fun. Something to pass the time. Sorry you felt it was a waste of your time. Quote
joshuakennedy Posted August 21, 2016 Author Report Posted August 21, 2016 (edited) On 7/25/2016 at 2:15 PM, CJ Shearn said: Good list: just some of my personal favorites, worth the add I think. Mostly post 60's and into the jazz rock, jazz funk, avant garde and mainstream areas. Ray Brown Trio: Bam! Bam! Bam! (Concord Jazz, 1988) I'm not a huge fan of most of the post-60s jazz rock/funk/fusion/avant garde stuff, but I did like the Ray Brown album. I also discovered Soular Energy and really enjoyed that one. Any other Ray Brown stuff that you would recommend? Edited August 21, 2016 by joshuakennedy Quote
David Ayers Posted August 21, 2016 Report Posted August 21, 2016 On 6 August 2016 at 7:27 PM, Steve Reynolds said: [...] the greatest of them all, Dahabenzapple [...] So great. Quote
CJ Shearn Posted August 25, 2016 Report Posted August 25, 2016 On 8/21/2016 at 9:36 AM, joshuakennedy said: I'm not a huge fan of most of the post-60s jazz rock/funk/fusion/avant garde stuff, but I did like the Ray Brown album. I also discovered Soular Energy and really enjoyed that one. Any other Ray Brown stuff that you would recommend? I really love the Milt Jackson/Ray Brown: "Montreux '77" disc on Pablo/OJC. There's so much good music in that post 60's area, maybe down the line you'll enjoy more of it. I used to be a hard bop snob when I was a kid into my teenage years then getting into Pat Metheny's mussic changed all that, it opened me to ECM, the avant garde, everything Quote
joshuakennedy Posted August 26, 2016 Author Report Posted August 26, 2016 22 hours ago, CJ Shearn said: I really love the Milt Jackson/Ray Brown: "Montreux '77" disc on Pablo/OJC. There's so much good music in that post 60's area, maybe down the line you'll enjoy more of it. I used to be a hard bop snob when I was a kid into my teenage years then getting into Pat Metheny's mussic changed all that, it opened me to ECM, the avant garde, everything Thanks. I'll check that one out. Quote
joshuakennedy Posted August 2, 2018 Author Report Posted August 2, 2018 Hi, guys. I took some of your feedback into consideration. I've added a decent number of albums from every decade, and tried to make the list less Blue Note-centric. Feel free to go through the list and vote on the albums you like/dislike. https://www.ranker.com/list/the-greatest-jazz-albums-of-all-time/joshua-kennedy?publish=true Quote
Milestones Posted August 2, 2018 Report Posted August 2, 2018 Subjective for sure, and I'm personally more about the great jazz artists. The greatest ones often record one fine album after another. The list indicates that most selections come from 1955-1970. That makes sense to my ears. So many of the all-time great (as innovators, players, band leaders, etc.) were at their peaks in these years. To be sure, you need to know the earlier figures like Louis, Lester, Hawk, Duke, etc. Has there been great jazz music since 1970? Sure, a great deal. But among the absolutely greatest? That's a hard argument to make. There are central figures in jazz music that people will generally agree upon. You can't diminish Monk, Miles, Duke, Trane--no more than you can diminish Bach, Mozart, and Schubert in Classical. Quote
Guy Berger Posted August 2, 2018 Report Posted August 2, 2018 6 minutes ago, Milestones said: Subjective for sure, and I'm personally more about the great jazz artists. The greatest ones often record one fine album after another. The list indicates that most selections come from 1955-1970. That makes sense to my ears. So many of the all-time great (as innovators, players, band leaders, etc.) were at their peaks in these years. To be sure, you need to know the earlier figures like Louis, Lester, Hawk, Duke, etc. Has there been great jazz music since 1970? Sure, a great deal. But among the absolutely greatest? That's a hard argument to make. There are central figures in jazz music that people will generally agree upon. You can't diminish Monk, Miles, Duke, Trane--no more than you can diminish Bach, Mozart, and Schubert in Classical. LPs didn't exist for the first 31 years of recorded jazz; a lot of the greatest recordings by Louis Armstrong, Lester Young, Coleman Hawkins and Duke Ellington were not made in the "album" format and any list like this would eliminate them. Quote
joshuakennedy Posted August 2, 2018 Author Report Posted August 2, 2018 Just now, Guy Berger said: LPs didn't exist for the first 31 years of recorded jazz; a lot of the greatest recordings by Louis Armstrong, Lester Young, Coleman Hawkins and Duke Ellington were not made in the "album" format and any list like this would eliminate them. Yeah, that's true. It was really difficult to find actual albums of a lot of those early artists besides "greatest hits" stuff. I did try to include the pioneers though. Quote
Milestones Posted August 2, 2018 Report Posted August 2, 2018 A "compilation" album is still an album in my book. That's how I first heard Louis, Duke, Bird, Lester, etc. Quote
joshuakennedy Posted August 2, 2018 Author Report Posted August 2, 2018 1 minute ago, Milestones said: A "compilation" album is still an album in my book. That's how I first heard Louis, Duke, Bird, Lester, etc. True. I did include a few. It's just tough to decide which ones when so many of them have some of the same songs overlapping. Quote
Guy Berger Posted August 3, 2018 Report Posted August 3, 2018 4 hours ago, Milestones said: A "compilation" album is still an album in my book. That's how I first heard Louis, Duke, Bird, Lester, etc. Yes, but in my experience they nevertheless tend to get underrepresented in this context for a variety of reasons Quote
Gheorghe Posted August 3, 2018 Report Posted August 3, 2018 I think the list is not so bad. In general I hate rating but here I saw really some albums that might be representative for our music. About compilations, that Bird compilation is quite ok, since during that time the LP format was not invented. And Savoy-Dial Master Takes is the most durable Bird . And of course the Blue Note albums. I think there couldn´t be a "best" list without Blue Trane, Cool Struttin, Sidewinder, Song for my Father, etc...., As for the bass I was quite astonished to see "Bass on Top" in the list. It took me years to get that rare album, but more than 1 or 2 listenings I didnt give it, though its fantastic bass, but not as exiting as "Whims of Chambers". Same with Griffin, I wouldn´t have chosen his first BN album , but the second "Blowin Session". But as I said, that list is quite representative, good work Quote
joshuakennedy Posted August 3, 2018 Author Report Posted August 3, 2018 10 hours ago, Gheorghe said: I think the list is not so bad. In general I hate rating but here I saw really some albums that might be representative for our music. About compilations, that Bird compilation is quite ok, since during that time the LP format was not invented. And Savoy-Dial Master Takes is the most durable Bird . And of course the Blue Note albums. I think there couldn´t be a "best" list without Blue Trane, Cool Struttin, Sidewinder, Song for my Father, etc...., As for the bass I was quite astonished to see "Bass on Top" in the list. It took me years to get that rare album, but more than 1 or 2 listenings I didnt give it, though its fantastic bass, but not as exiting as "Whims of Chambers". Same with Griffin, I wouldn´t have chosen his first BN album , but the second "Blowin Session". But as I said, that list is quite representative, good work Thank you. Part of the input for the list was scouring AllMusic ratings. Bass on Top had more ratings and slightly higher ratings than Whims of Chambers. There were three Johnny Griffin albums on the list (Introducing..., A Blowin' Session, and The Little Giant). I'm not sure which album you're referencing with the second Blowin' Session. Quote
CJ Shearn Posted August 3, 2018 Report Posted August 3, 2018 56 minutes ago, joshuakennedy said: Thank you. Part of the input for the list was scouring AllMusic ratings. Bass on Top had more ratings and slightly higher ratings than Whims of Chambers. There were three Johnny Griffin albums on the list (Introducing..., A Blowin' Session, and The Little Giant). I'm not sure which album you're referencing with the second Blowin' Session. He's just referencing that A Blowin Session was Griff's second BN album. Quote
joshuakennedy Posted August 3, 2018 Author Report Posted August 3, 2018 Just now, CJ Shearn said: He's just referencing that A Blowin Session was Griff's second BN album. Oh, gotcha. Quote
Brad Posted August 3, 2018 Report Posted August 3, 2018 16 hours ago, Gheorghe said: I think the list is not so bad. In general I hate rating but here I saw really some albums that might be representative for our music. About compilations, that Bird compilation is quite ok, since during that time the LP format was not invented. And Savoy-Dial Master Takes is the most durable Bird . And of course the Blue Note albums. I think there couldn´t be a "best" list without Blue Trane, Cool Struttin, Sidewinder, Song for my Father, etc...., As for the bass I was quite astonished to see "Bass on Top" in the list. It took me years to get that rare album, but more than 1 or 2 listenings I didnt give it, though its fantastic bass, but not as exiting as "Whims of Chambers". Same with Griffin, I wouldn´t have chosen his first BN album , but the second "Blowin Session". But as I said, that list is quite representative, good work Generally, I agree with Georghe. You could do worse than this list and for an incipient fan, it’s a good guide to what to listen to. I thought Leapin and Loping and Cornbread were unusual additions, not that they’re fine albums. I would have thought the list included a Jimmy Smith album or some of Bird’s Verve recordings. Quote
joshuakennedy Posted August 3, 2018 Author Report Posted August 3, 2018 28 minutes ago, Brad said: Generally, I agree with Georghe. You could do worse than this list and for an incipient fan, it’s a good guide to what to listen to. I thought Leapin and Loping and Cornbread were unusual additions, not that they’re fine albums. I would have thought the list included a Jimmy Smith album or some of Bird’s Verve recordings. There are 3 Jimmy Smith albums on there (Midnight Special, Back at the Chicken Shack, Dynamic Duo w/ Wes Montgomery). Also a couple Charlie Parker Verve albums (S/T and Complete Verve Recordings). You gotta dig through the whole list. Quote
Chuck Nessa Posted August 3, 2018 Report Posted August 3, 2018 Ignore this stuff and make your own lists. Then ask yourself why stuff other folks love isn't on your list. Sample, study and grow. Quote
Brad Posted August 4, 2018 Report Posted August 4, 2018 2 hours ago, joshuakennedy said: There are 3 Jimmy Smith albums on there (Midnight Special, Back at the Chicken Shack, Dynamic Duo w/ Wes Montgomery). Also a couple Charlie Parker Verve albums (S/T and Complete Verve Recordings). You gotta dig through the whole list. I just looked over the top 100 list twice and didn’t see those mentioned. Quote
joshuakennedy Posted August 4, 2018 Author Report Posted August 4, 2018 15 hours ago, Brad said: I just looked over the top 100 list twice and didn’t see those mentioned. They are not in the top 100. They are further down. There are more than 600 albums on the list. Quote
Brad Posted August 4, 2018 Report Posted August 4, 2018 I only looked at the top 100. I just looked at the next 100. I find it even stranger that Bird’s Verve recordings are not in that group, unless I missed it. At any rate, I agree with Chuck. Make your own list, although the list is a useful guide. Quote
joshuakennedy Posted August 4, 2018 Author Report Posted August 4, 2018 2 hours ago, Brad said: I only looked at the top 100. I just looked at the next 100. I find it even stranger that Bird’s Verve recordings are not in that group, unless I missed it. At any rate, I agree with Chuck. Make your own list, although the list is a useful guide. The albums are in order based on user votes. So until people vote for Jimmy Smith, Charlie Parker, etc., they will be lower on the list. There should be a search option on there to search for certain artists if you don't want to scroll through the whole list. And I did make this list. Quote
joshuakennedy Posted August 8, 2018 Author Report Posted August 8, 2018 On 8/25/2016 at 6:59 PM, CJ Shearn said: I really love the Milt Jackson/Ray Brown: "Montreux '77" disc on Pablo/OJC. Added that one to the list. Quote
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