Gene Ammons Prestige Sessions Needing Collating on CD

[The Magnificent Goldberg]

Yeah, now you've mentioned it was a prefix, I can get it. The VDJs weren't a forerunner to OJCs, however. OJC was started in the early seventies; can't be sure whether Prestige was still owned by Bob Weinstock then, but maybe, 'cos the early issues were all, as I recollect, Prestige items. There couldn't have been any VJD CDs as early as that.

OK, to the point. The Lord discography, though no one would say it's exhaustive, doesn't list any VJD issues of Jug's albums.

MG

[JSngry]

Minor correction - OJC started later in the 1970s, after the 24000 2-fer LP series ran its course. And then began the rebuy of things you already had...or not.

Depending on the item and the liner notes, I could prefer the 24000 series to its original artwork single LP counterparts. Liner notes could be either skim or stupid back in the day, and sometimes a contemporaneous essay was preferred. Sometimes.

Weinstock's Prestige was running a "Historical Series" in the late 60s & earliest 70s, though. But by the time the OJCs came around, that was Fantasy.

[The Magnificent Goldberg]

2 hours ago, JSngry said:

Minor correction - OJC started later in the 1970s, after the 24000 2-fer LP series ran its course. And then began the rebuy of things you already had...or not.

Depending on the item and the liner notes, I could prefer the 24000 series to its original artwork single LP counterparts. Liner notes could be either skim or stupid back in the day, and sometimes a contemporaneous essay was preferred. Sometimes.

Weinstock's Prestige was running a "Historical Series" in the late 60s & earliest 70s, though. But by the time the OJCs came around, that was Fantasy.

Right, thanks Jim, I didn't look it up.

MG

[JSngry]

Yeah, there's still a few OJC LPs that have not made it to CD. Don't ask me for specifics, though!

[Gheorghe]

Not long ago I purchased his 1973 Montreux album, with Hampton Hawes on electric piano, Bob Cranshaw on electric bass and Kenny Clark, with Guests Adderly Brothers and Dexter Gordon. Fantastic ! On of the albums I like to listen after a day of hard work, just to relax and feel happy.

[gmonahan]

Putting all of Jug's Prestige recordings into a box would be a formidable undertaking--and a monster box--but I'd buy it!

 

 

gregmo

[JSngry]

I would so buy it.

[The Magnificent Goldberg]

Just buy all the separate albums and rip 'em to your hard drive. Swot I did and it's bloomin' great!

I doubt VERY much if there are any alternative takes or unreleased material in the Prestige files.

MG

[mikeweil]

At least there are no such tracks listed in the Prestige disco by Ruppli, which is not always totally accurate, as we know. Prestige/OJC reissues were not consistent - sometimes they added tracks, sometimes not, other sessions were re-assembled to complete form, others reissued in the scattered pattern of the LPs. It's much less effort to pull out an old LP master tape and re-release it 1-to-1 instead of consulting the disco - I bet most people now working at Universal never even heard of it.

 

On 27.9.2016 at 6:19 PM, gmonahan said:

Putting all of Jug's Prestige recordings into a box would be a formidable undertaking--and a monster box--but I'd buy it!

I think it would be better (and much more affordable) to split it into three or four boxes. We allready have the Stitt box, which includes all of the Ammons/Stiit band; another with 78 era stuff; one with all the jam sessions including the early ones with Stitt and the later ones with Trane; and one or two with the albums featuring Ammons as the main soloist. I'd most likely go for these, but not for a monster box. 

On 13.9.2016 at 3:55 PM, JSngry said:

Weinstock's Prestige was running a "Historical Series" in the late 60s & earliest 70s, though. But by the time the OJCs came around, that was Fantasy.

That series had several nice re-compilations of scattered material. Like the 1940's Stitt sessions - only to be surpassed by the box set. I still have the Carroll/Jefferson/Ross LP, because there never was a CD with all of these tracks. 

Edited October 2, 2016 by mikeweil

[The Magnificent Goldberg]

Personally, I like most of the albums. I like listening to the ones that Weinstock cobbled together from bits and pieces as well as listening to the complete session with Mal Waldron that was never issued as an album or even as a CD compilation and the two LPs of 'Organ combos'.

Can't say I like the jam sessions very much, though I know Weinstock did. What I do like of them is most of what's on the long OJC CD 'Gene Ammons greatest hits: the fifties'. That's nearly all of those jam session tracks I like - plus the whole of 'Blue Gene', of course, on which Gene and Mal seemed to have been collaborating to get a Jug-like result, all the way through.

MG

[mikeweil]

Latest 4 CD box from our European specialists (Enlightenment):

https://www.amazon.com/Prestige-Collection-1960-1962-4CD-BOX/dp/B06W9J3FMF

Disc: 1

  1. Hittin' The Jug

  2. Close Your Eyes

  3. My Romance

  4. Canadian Sunset

  5. Blue Ammons

  6. Confirmation

  7. Savoy

  8. Ol' Man River

  9. Easy To Love

  10. Seed Shack

  11. Let It Be You

  12. Exactly Like You

  13. Miss Lucy

  14. Namely You

  15. Tangerine

 

Disc: 2

  1. The Breeze And I

  2. I Sold My Heart To The Junkman

  3. Moonglow

  4. Up Tight!

  5. The Five O'Clock Whistle

  6. Jug'S Blue Blues

  7. Lester Leaps In

  8. Twisting The Jug

  9. Born To Be Blue

  10. Satin Doll

  11. Moten Swing

  12. Stormy Monday Blues

  13. Down The Line

 

Disc: 3

  1. Watch Out

  2. Strollin'

  3. Mellow Gravy

  4. Christopher Columbus

  5. Buzzin' Round

  6. Mr. Clean

  7. Tubby

  8. Dumplin'

  9. When You Wish Upon A Star

  10. Shuffle Twist

  11. Sleeping Susan

  12. Out In The Cold Again

 

Disc: 4

  1. Sweet Hour

  2. Yield Not

  3. Abide With Me

  4. Blessed Assurance

  5. The Prayer

  6. You'Ll Never Walk Alone

  7. I Believe

  8. Precious Memories

  9. What A Friend

  10. Holy Holy

  11. The Light

  12. Pagan Love Song

  13. Ca' Purange (Jungle Soul)

  14. Anna

  15. Caé Caé

  16. Moito Mato Grosso

  17. Yellow Bird

 

 

 

Since these were probably dubbed from existing CD reissues, they will not deliver solutions to the problem of scattered release patterns from the past ...

Edited March 19, 2017 by mikeweil