Peter Friedman Posted December 8 Report Posted December 8 Mozart - Symphonies No.25, 30, 33 Krips / RCO Quote
soulpope Posted December 8 Report Posted December 8 7 minutes ago, Peter Friedman said: Mozart - Symphonies No.25, 30, 33 Krips / RCO Outstanding .... Quote
mjzee Posted December 9 Report Posted December 9 Brahms needed an editor. Â His compositions run too long. Quote
soulpope Posted December 9 Report Posted December 9 1 hour ago, mjzee said: Brahms needed an editor.  His compositions run too long. Probably not all of them, but some "quality control" would haven been of help .... btw it is particularly ironic that he accused Bruckner of this (and was part of a movement which destroyed Bruckner's career during his lifetime) ..... Quote
Peter Friedman Posted December 9 Report Posted December 9 Schubert - String Quartets D.32, D.74, D.353 Quote
mjzee Posted December 9 Report Posted December 9 11 hours ago, soulpope said: Probably not all of them, but some "quality control" would haven been of help .... btw it is particularly ironic that he accused Bruckner of this (and was part of a movement which destroyed Bruckner's career during his lifetime) ..... For instance, I just listened to this Brahms's Piano Concerto #1.  Should it really take 52 minutes?  Couldn't it have been shortened to 30 or even 25? Quote
soulpope Posted December 9 Report Posted December 9 8 minutes ago, mjzee said: For instance, I just listened to this Brahms's Piano Concerto #1.  Should it really take 52 minutes?  Couldn't it have been shortened to 30 or even 25? Both Brahms Piano Concertos are monoliths, no question .... Quote
HutchFan Posted December 9 Report Posted December 9 (edited) I strongly disagree with the sentiment that Brahms' piano concertos (or his works in general) are too long. . . . However, there might be problems with that particular Barenboim/Barbirolli interpretation. (I'm not familiar with it.) But listen to Szell/Serkin (for a faster, leaner reading) or Gilels/Jochum (for a slower, massive reading). Yes, Brahms' piano concertos are BIG -- they're symphonies with piano accompaniment as much as they're concertos. But they're also MAGNIFICENT. IMO, of course.   Edited December 9 by HutchFan Quote
soulpope Posted December 9 Report Posted December 9 11 minutes ago, HutchFan said: I strongly disagree with the sentiment that Brahms' piano concertos (or his works in general) are too long. . . . However, there might be problems with that particular Barenboim/Barbirolli interpretation. (I'm not familiar with it.) But listen to Szell/Serkin (for a faster, leaner reading) or Gilels/Jochum (for a slower, massive reading). Yes, Brahms' piano concertos are BIG -- they're symphonies with piano accompaniment as much as they're concertos. But they're also MAGNIFICENT. IMO, of course.   @ "HutchFan" : could not resist 😎 .... off course a complete exaggeration, still making ironically the point his Piano Concertos are hard to digest .... Quote
HutchFan Posted December 9 Report Posted December 9 Yeah. I understand that the assertion that "Brahms' compositions are too long" is NOT a new opinion. *   * However, the same sorts of accusations have been brought against Beethoven, Berlioz, Wagner, Liszt, Mahler, Bruckner, and probably every other composer of the Romantic era.   Quote
soulpope Posted December 9 Report Posted December 9 4 minutes ago, HutchFan said: Yeah. I understand that the assertion that "Brahms' compositions are too long" is NOT a new opinion. * * However, the same sorts of accusations have been brought against Beethoven, Berlioz, Wagner, Liszt, Mahler, Bruckner, and probably every other composer of the Romantic era.  Btw Brahms suffered life long from excessive self-criticism .... what a irony .... Quote
Peter Friedman Posted December 9 Report Posted December 9 Mahler is the composer where the length of his compositions makes it hard for me to connect with them. I would much rather listen to Brahms symphonies and concertos. Currently listening to Chopin's Mazurkas by Nedia Reisenberg. Quote
HutchFan Posted December 9 Report Posted December 9 (edited) Now playing: As heard in Stokowski's Complete Decca Recordings - Phase 4 Stereo box set.  Edited December 9 by HutchFan Quote
HutchFan Posted December 10 Report Posted December 10 Another disc from Stoki's big Phase 4 set: Quote
mjzee Posted December 10 Report Posted December 10 Riccardo Muti - The Complete Warner Symphonic Recordings, disc 13. Quote
soulpope Posted December 10 Report Posted December 10 6 hours ago, mjzee said: Thanks all for your comments. Thnx for sharing your view initially .... it's not easy to critize composers/recordings pozentially being favourites of other members .... but it is a vital part of the forum to discuss/communicate and (especially) the Classical Music Thread is no exemption .... Quote
soulpope Posted December 10 Report Posted December 10 2 hours ago, mjzee said: Riccardo Muti - The Complete Warner Symphonic Recordings, disc 13. Can't go wrong with Sviatoslav Richter .... btw excellent Cover Photography .... Quote
soulpope Posted December 10 Report Posted December 10 Alain Planès with his astute view on Haydn .... magnificent .... Quote
HutchFan Posted December 10 Report Posted December 10 8 hours ago, soulpope said: Thnx for sharing your view initially .... it's not easy to critize composers/recordings pozentially being favourites of other members .... but it is a vital part of the forum to discuss/communicate and (especially) the Classical Music Thread is no exemption .... Agreed!  The discussion is the point. After all, we're just expressing our individual perspectives.  Quote
mikeweil Posted December 10 Report Posted December 10 12 minutes ago, Peter Friedman said: That's a painting by Max Klinger, showing the three great loves of his early life. Quote
mjzee Posted December 10 Report Posted December 10 Bracha Eden and Alexander Tamir - The Complete Decca Recordings, disc 10. Quote
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