Max Roach: A strange collection of tracks

[psu_13]

I came across this download today, it seems to be a mashup of multiple sessions that are now out of copyright, but I can't find them all... anyone know what they are?

http://www.amazon.com/Money-Maker-Quit-Go-Traveling/dp/B014871IRE/

Thanks a bunch

Pete

 

[John L]

Strange indeed.  Some of the tracks would seem to be from the Argo album, "Max."  Others would seem to come from "Featuring the Legendary Hassan."  Some tracks I don't recall Max recording as a leader.  So there are probably songs under the leadership of others.  

[JSngry]

1 Crackle Hut-Argo
    
2 Hello Young Lovers-Live From The Columbia Jazz Festival(????) e/JJ Johnson
    
3 Pay Not, Play Not-Legendary Hasaan
    
4 That Tired Routine Called Love-First Place, JJ Johnson    
    
5 Four-X-Argo
    
6 That Old Devil Called Love-Argo
    
7 Almost Like Me-Legendary Hasaan
    
8 Speculate-Argo
    
9 Cry Me a River-First Place, JJ Johnson    
    
10 Din-Ka Street-Legendary Hasaan
    
11 Nickels and Dimes-First Place, JJ Johnson    
    
12 Audio Blues-Argo
    
13 Off My Back, Jack-Legendary Hasaan
    
14 Paul's Pal-First Place, JJ Johnson    

I though nagel hayer was a legit label?

[mikeweil]

Nagel Heyer is a European label, and over here it is legit.

[JSngry]

Not the best choice of word....I meant "legit" in the sense of releasing original projects (and frequently strong ones). Haven't known them as a reissue label, PD or otherwise.

[JSngry]

Wow, this is kinda creepy...apparently the label does not list these items in their catalog, even downloads. They only mention them in the "Hot News section of their website: http://www.nagelheyer.de/hot-news.html

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Clark Terry - My Gal (nh 156)
Red Norvo - Shades Of Red (nh 157)
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Bob Scobey - My Little Universe (nh 171)
Charlie Ventura - All That‘s Mine (nh 172)
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Dick Wellstood - Your Skies Of Blue (nh 249)
Curtis Fuller - The Good And The Ugly (nh 250)
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Enjoy the music!

Here's maybe the whole lot: https://artistxite.com/label/nagel-heyer-records

Some real classics here, such as:

 

Jeez...

Looking around the web, some of these appear to have the name "jazz2jazz" on the cover instead of nalgehyder, but look at this: http://jazz2jazz.com/

Wow.

[JSngry]

 

[Dan Gould]

That's seriously f-ed up.

[ejp626]

So I don't want to get into a big debate about the morality of these labels, but they do appear in eMusic (at least the Canadian version), and I really wish there was a way to filter them out.  Now if you do a search for Sonny Rollins or Miles Davis, you end up getting 75%-85% PD labels that are sort of just cannibalizing each other.  It's very frustrating and that can't be good for getting newbies interested in jazz.  It gets to the point where you need to search for the particular album you are looking for outside of eMusic (Google or Bing or something) and then linking in.  (I guess that isn't so different from the Organissimo search function these days...)

[psu_13]

These also seem to turn up with surprising frequency in the U.S. iTunes/Amazon/Spotify databases, even though the recordings are theoretically not out of copyright yet. Ah well.

 

[Joe]

Yeah, strange provenance for these. Like Jim, I was surprised to see them carry the Nagel-Hayer imprimatur.

[JSngry]

Credit due for the Boris Rose quality of the titles and covers of some of these things, certainly they are paying homage to the great bootlegger, and some of them are pretty damn funny, hopefully intentionally.

I know it's legal in Germany. And I get that making an honest living as a jazz label is tough, and that maybe it's inancially tempting to be both honest AND legal.

But let's note that Boris Rose released airshots and other things of that nature, not PD studio material of days gone by that fell into his lap through no effort of his own.

[mjzee]

It's very possible that Nagel Heyer is unaware of this bootlegging series.

[JSngry]

Not if they mention it on their own website, which they do. http://www.nagelheyer.de/hot-news.html

And remember, it's not "bootlegging" over there. It's "public domain".

[mjzee]

True; I see that now.

[mikeweil]

Kind of reminds me of the series that Dreyfus put out some years ago, which was not the success they thought it would be and was terminated. Of course they are not giving reference to the original issues to avoid legal issues or whatever - right now I have the impression there are several times as many reissues of this type than from the companies that own the masters, which is sad. 

Just looked at the Cal Tjader compilation they made: a strange mixture of tracks from several 1950's Fantasy LPs, even two with Stan Getz without Latin rhythm, and some from his Skye LPs from around 1970 which have been bootlegged half a dozen times (and are not yet public domain in Europe!). Not necessarily experts at work - I will avoid these.