"A Love Supreme" one more time

[David Ayers]

Less inclined to get it at this point.

I'am surprised you were ever interested given this post.

Quote:"Coltrane and Ayler both put me to sleep - their music is like a lullaby, without fail. Even things like Ascension."

They are so *sentimental*... but that's jazz, I suppose...

[clifford_thornton]

I don't think my post was understood.

[erwbol]

The original session reels have been located according to the Mosaic newsletter

What a rare treat!

Having worked on several editions of A Love Supreme in the CD era, I am amazed to find out that a set of the original session reels has been found and that all will be revealed on November 6, 2015 in a 3-CD set of the iconic work.

Over the years, we were able to find scraps of the sextet version (of only one movement), from Coltrane's reference tapes unearthed by his son Ravi. I was able to supercede the damaged American master by finding a pristine second generation tape in London. But now the entire opus is extant and soon to be available. -Michael Cuscuna

Edited October 11, 2015 by erwbol

[erwbol]

€27,99 at Amazon.de for the 3 CD set. That's more like it.

Edited October 21, 2015 by erwbol

[david weiss]

Nice piece on this.....

http://www.newyorker.com/culture/richard-brody/seeing-through-a-love-supreme-to-find-john-coltrane

Of particular interest to me is the mention of other live recordings of A Love Supreme in the days after the one included in the set which we know oh so well already....

 

[JSngry]

I've heard - but do not have - the Pep's "Resolution" and yes, it is major.

[l p]

4 hours ago, david weiss said:

Nice piece on this.....

http://www.newyorker.com/culture/richard-brody/seeing-through-a-love-supreme-to-find-john-coltrane

Of particular interest to me is the mention of other live recordings of A Love Supreme in the days after the one included in the set which we know oh so well already....

 

 

it's just one recording, and is earlier than the studio version.

philadelphia  9-18-64  'resolution' can be heard at http://tela.sugarmegs.org

do a search for coltrane, then select 

JohnColtraneQuartet1964-09-18ALoveSupremeSecondMovementFirstLiveExecutionPepsLoungePhiladelphiaPA.asx
 

 

 

Edited November 19, 2015 by l p

[david weiss]

I misread the piece actually. I thought he was saying the concerts in the days after the live A Love Supreme concert in France were also performances of A Love Supreme and recorded. Wishful thinking I guess.....

[Late]

How does the new set sound in comparison to the RVG edition? Who remastered the new set?

[jazzbo]

Kevin Reeves. Even though I'm not bothered by RVG's remastering as much as many, this is a better job all around. The best I've heard this in Redbook (I haven't heard the Platinum SHM-CD or whatever it is that seems to have been crowned the best so far before this).

[erwbol]

Is the oblong foldout of the 3 CD set made of hard or soft material? I'm wondering if the packaging will survive shipping (through amazon.de). Otherwise I will have to pick this up in-store.

Amazon.de's current price is only €21.99.

[soulpope]

1 hour ago, erwbol said:

Is the oblong foldout of the 3 CD set made of hard or soft material? I'm wondering if the packaging will survive shipping (through amazon.de). Otherwise I will have to pick this up in-store.

Amazon.de's current price is only €21.99.

same concerns here ....

[jazzbo]

I didn't see this question til you quoted it SP. I'd say it's more soft than hard. . . It's not plastic, it's digipak paper.

[crisp]

Mine got pretty crushed in the post.

[kh1958]

So is the sound of the original album actually superior on this to the prior CD release? Does the live performance sound the same as the prior release?

[jazzbo]

Depending on which "prior CD release" you mean, or imo probably whichever you mean, yes, I feel the sound quality is superior on this new release. And no, it's not the same sound on the live disc, it's mastered differently (this one is by Kevin Reeves, the former by Rudy Van Gelder).

50 minutes ago, crisp said:

Mine got pretty crushed in the post.

Mine was very well packed by amazon.com and arrived unblemished.

[BFrank]

I had no plans to get this latest release because I have the 2002 "Deluxe Edition" RVG 2-disk Impulse release which is described as the "definitive edition" (for what that's worth). Honestly, I'm not all that concerned about missing out on a couple of additional alt takes, if that's the only difference. But if the audio is significantly improved, that's another matter altogether.

[kh1958]

7 hours ago, jazzbo said:

Depending on which "prior CD release" you mean, or imo probably whichever you mean, yes, I feel the sound quality is superior on this new release. And no, it's not the same sound on the live disc, it's mastered differently (this one is by Kevin Reeves, the former by Rudy Van Gelder).

Mine was very well packed by amazon.com and arrived unblemished.

I meant the prior definitive for all time 2 CD release.

[JSngry]

Would that be the Definitive Pre-Definitive, or the Pre-Definitive Definitive?

[jazzbo]

1 hour ago, kh1958 said:

I meant the prior definitive for all time 2 CD release.

Well, I'm a fan of RVG mastering for the most part, and I think this new set has superior sound to that two cd Deluxe release.

[erwbol]

15 hours ago, jazzbo said:

Mine was very well packed by amazon.com and arrived unblemished.

In Europe, Amazon's packaging for CD's that fit through a letterbox is as thick as a postcard.

[Dave Garrett]

On 11/30/2015, 3:35:32, erwbol said:

In Europe, Amazon's packaging for CD's that fit through a letterbox is as thick as a postcard.

Yep. Which pretty much guarantees that multi-CD digipaks (or other packaging made of thin cardstock) are going to get squashed in transit and arrive with, at minimum, a permanently creased spine on the digipak. The last two CD sets I've ordered from Amazon.de had this happen. 

[BFrank]

On 9/22/2015, 5:57:42, CJ Shearn said:

Looking at the tracklist a bit more carefully, it seems like I would be interested in a few things, but how much would I listen? IDK

Yeah - that's the bottom line. I don't listen to the last "Deluxe" version much, so ... I'm still on the fence.

[jazzbo]

I'll say this: I've listened to the set three times since I received it, and it's probably the first item I've read all the liner notes on in a long time. It rekindled my interest in ALS.

[king ubu]

haven't read anything yet, got the two-disc version early last week and gave the session reels a listen - would have enjoyed more of the undubbed stuff, but the main part is having the entire session with Shepp there - and that is pretty fascinating

would be interested if anyone knows if there's any substantial difference between the two- and three-disc versions regarding the booklet and documentation (i.e. does it have different liners, does it duplicate some Kahn's liners from the old Deluxe edition as far as comments on the live set go...?)