Eric Posted September 23, 2015 Report Posted September 23, 2015 The deluxe edition is fine, not going for a third dip, I don't think. "The Complete Sun Ship Sessions" is awesome because of the music being unedited, compared to the composite masters.Also where I'm coming down on those two sets.Looking at the tracklist a bit more carefully, it seems like I would be interested in a few things, but how much would I listen? IDKI agree. It was nice to have the live set, cleaned up. But really. When I want to listen to ALS, I want to listen to ALS, as originally released. Life is too short ... Quote
soulpope Posted September 23, 2015 Report Posted September 23, 2015 (edited) The deluxe edition is fine, not going for a third dip, I don't think. "The Complete Sun Ship Sessions" is awesome because of the music being unedited, compared to the composite masters.Also where I'm coming down on those two sets.Looking at the tracklist a bit more carefully, it seems like I would be interested in a few things, but how much would I listen? IDKI agree. It was nice to have the live set, cleaned up. But really. When I want to listen to ALS, I want to listen to ALS, as originally released. Life is too short ...seconded ... Edited September 23, 2015 by soulpope Quote
erwbol Posted September 29, 2015 Report Posted September 29, 2015 Pre-order prices in Europe for the 3 CD set are outrageous at the moment, certainly compared to the Miles Bootleg Series sets from Sony. Whether or not I will pick this set up will now completely depend on the quality of the remastering. I'll download a FLAC rip through bittorrent first, and then possibly wait for a good deal. Quote
jlhoots Posted September 29, 2015 Report Posted September 29, 2015 Pre-order prices in Europe for the 3 CD set are outrageous at the moment, certainly compared to the Miles Bootleg Series sets from Sony. Whether or not I will pick this set up will now completely depend on the quality of the remastering. I'll download a FLAC rip through bittorrent first, and then possibly wait for a good deal.Ahh - technology!! Quote
mjzee Posted September 29, 2015 Report Posted September 29, 2015 I was never in love with ALS. Sounds like one long chant to me. Quote
jazzbo Posted September 29, 2015 Author Report Posted September 29, 2015 I'm glad we are getting more of the session with Shepp. . . and will be interested to see how this mastering of the live performance will be. Quote
jazzbo Posted September 29, 2015 Author Report Posted September 29, 2015 Article about the house the work was composed within.http://www.theparisreview.org/blog/2015/09/23/the-coltrane-home-in-dix-hills/ Quote
l p Posted October 9, 2015 Report Posted October 9, 2015 release date pushed back to November 20, 2015 Quote
erwbol Posted October 9, 2015 Report Posted October 9, 2015 They should push it straight to the discount bin. Money grab. Quote
l p Posted October 9, 2015 Report Posted October 9, 2015 around an hour of new outtakes. there's nothing wrong with that. Quote
erwbol Posted October 9, 2015 Report Posted October 9, 2015 I feel the A Love Supreme outtakes that were released previously, both with and without Shepp, were lacking. I felt the same about the Crescent alternate released on the Quartet box set.Now there is nothing wrong with releasing more/all of the outtakes this time, but the pre-order prices are exorbitant last I checked. This set is in need of an immediate steep drop in price. And the mastering better be outstanding. Quote
l p Posted October 9, 2015 Report Posted October 9, 2015 i like the 2 takes of Acknowledgement with shepp that we have from the previous reissue. it's almost like a different tune. the 2 cd version, without the live 3rd disc:A Love Supreme: The Complete Masters [2 CD] $19.98http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B014T4JP2G?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00 Quote
jazzbo Posted October 9, 2015 Author Report Posted October 9, 2015 And the Japanese SHM-CD release on the same day:http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/product/UCCI-1024 Quote
l p Posted October 9, 2015 Report Posted October 9, 2015 looks like the reason for the delayed release is because verve deleted a bunch of tracks. // = deleted Disc 1: 1 Part I: Acknowledgement2 Part II: Resolution3 Part III: Pursuance4 Part IV: Psalm//5 Part I: Acknowledgement *//6 Part II: Resolution *7 Part III: Pursuance *8 Part IV: Psalm *Tracks 1-4 released as Impulse AS-77. Tracks 5-8 taken from Coltrane’s original mono reference masters and are previously unreleased. Disc 2: // deleted//1. Part I: Acknowledgement (Undubbed)2. Part I: Acknowledgement (Vocal Overdub #2)3. Part I: Acknowledgement (Vocal Overdub #3)//4. Part II: Resolution (Take 1/Breakdown)//5. Part II: Resolution (Take 2/Breakdown)//6. Part II: Resolution (Take 3/Breakdown)7. Part II: Resolution (Take 4/Alternate) (previously released on Impulse! 314 589 945-2, 2002)//8. Part II: Resolution (Take 5/Breakdown)9. Part II: Resolution (Take 6/Breakdown) (previously released on Impulse! 314 589 945-2, 2002)10. Part IV: Psalm (Undubbed)11. Part I: Acknowledgement (Take 1/Alternate) (previously released in mono on Impulse! 314 589 945-2, 2002)12. Part I: Acknowledgement (Take 2/Alternate) (previously released in mono on Impulse! 314 589 945-2, 2002)13. Part I: Acknowledgement (Take 3/Breakdown with Studio Dialogue)14. Part I: Acknowledgement (Take 4/Alternate)15. Part I: Acknowledgement (Take 5/False Start)16. Part I: Acknowledgement (Take 6/Alternate) old track listhttp://theseconddisc.com/2015/09/21/acknowledgement-john-coltranes-a-love-supreme-goes-super-deluxe-with-complete-masters/new track list http://www.amazon.com/Love-Supreme-Complete-Masters-Edition/dp/tracks/B014T4JOM2/ref=dp_tracks_all_1#disc_2 Quote
erwbol Posted October 9, 2015 Report Posted October 9, 2015 (edited) i like the 2 takes of Acknowledgement with shepp that we have from the previous reissue. it's almost like a different tune. the 2 cd version, without the live 3rd disc:A Love Supreme: The Complete Masters [2 CD] $19.98http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B014T4JP2G?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00 That makes it EUR 14 extra for just the live disc.Instead of the reference mono version of just two tracks, they could have fit the excellent flat transfer of the stereo tape that was included on the Platinum SHM-CD on the first disc. That would have been value for money. Edited October 9, 2015 by erwbol Quote
jazzbo Posted October 9, 2015 Author Report Posted October 9, 2015 looks like the reason for the delayed release is because verve deleted a bunch of tracks. // = deleted Disc 1: 1 Part I: Acknowledgement2 Part II: Resolution3 Part III: Pursuance4 Part IV: Psalm//5 Part I: Acknowledgement *//6 Part II: Resolution *7 Part III: Pursuance *8 Part IV: Psalm *Tracks 1-4 released as Impulse AS-77. Tracks 5-8 taken from Coltrane’s original mono reference masters and are previously unreleased. Disc 2: // deleted//1. Part I: Acknowledgement (Undubbed)2. Part I: Acknowledgement (Vocal Overdub #2)3. Part I: Acknowledgement (Vocal Overdub #3)//4. Part II: Resolution (Take 1/Breakdown)//5. Part II: Resolution (Take 2/Breakdown)//6. Part II: Resolution (Take 3/Breakdown)7. Part II: Resolution (Take 4/Alternate) (previously released on Impulse! 314 589 945-2, 2002)//8. Part II: Resolution (Take 5/Breakdown)9. Part II: Resolution (Take 6/Breakdown) (previously released on Impulse! 314 589 945-2, 2002)10. Part IV: Psalm (Undubbed)11. Part I: Acknowledgement (Take 1/Alternate) (previously released in mono on Impulse! 314 589 945-2, 2002)12. Part I: Acknowledgement (Take 2/Alternate) (previously released in mono on Impulse! 314 589 945-2, 2002)13. Part I: Acknowledgement (Take 3/Breakdown with Studio Dialogue)14. Part I: Acknowledgement (Take 4/Alternate)15. Part I: Acknowledgement (Take 5/False Start)16. Part I: Acknowledgement (Take 6/Alternate) old track listhttp://theseconddisc.com/2015/09/21/acknowledgement-john-coltranes-a-love-supreme-goes-super-deluxe-with-complete-masters/new track list http://www.amazon.com/Love-Supreme-Complete-Masters-Edition/dp/tracks/B014T4JOM2/ref=dp_tracks_all_1#disc_2 WTF? Only the first deletion really bothers me, but. . . . Quote
king ubu Posted October 9, 2015 Report Posted October 9, 2015 wtf indeed!Will they follow up with a mono edition later? As far as I know, Impulse only did mono as fold downs though, so I don't get the point of including mono versions in the first place -- the "thrill" of hearing what Trane heard, returning home from the sessions? Quote
clifford_thornton Posted October 9, 2015 Report Posted October 9, 2015 Less inclined to get it at this point. Quote
erwbol Posted October 9, 2015 Report Posted October 9, 2015 I just gave the 2002 deluxe edition a spin for the first time in a long time, and that version of the live performance is probably good enough for me. Quote
jlhoots Posted October 9, 2015 Report Posted October 9, 2015 I just gave the 2002 deluxe edition a spin for the first time in a long time, and that version of the live performance is probably good enough for me.For me too. Quote
jazzbo Posted October 9, 2015 Author Report Posted October 9, 2015 It sounds really nice on the Blu-Ray Audio disc as well. Quote
l p Posted October 9, 2015 Report Posted October 9, 2015 from the jc reference //1. Part I: Acknowledgement (Undubbed)//4. Part II: Resolution (Take 1/Breakdown) bass only//5. Part II: Resolution (Take 2/Breakdown) bass only//6. Part II: Resolution (Take 3/Breakdown) gets to the start of the sax entrance//8. Part II: Resolution (Take 5/Breakdown) timing unknown. coltrane messes up, and stops playing. Quote
erwbol Posted October 10, 2015 Report Posted October 10, 2015 It sounds really nice on the Blu-Ray Audio disc as well.The Blu-ray Audio is reasonably priced at the moment. Only, there is no mention of who mastered it and when on the back artwork.Like the booklet for the 2002 deluxe edition mentioned, Van Gelder worked with an excellent transfer made by French radio and it shows, but I would prefer to own a copy that is a bit less loud. Quote
erwbol Posted October 10, 2015 Report Posted October 10, 2015 Less inclined to get it at this point.I'am surprised you were ever interested given this post.Quote:"Coltrane and Ayler both put me to sleep - their music is like a lullaby, without fail. Even things like Ascension." Quote
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