Rudy Van Gelder

[Ted O'Reilly]

"ditch the dirt"

Isn't the phrase "dish the dirt"?  'Cause if you ditch it, you're NOT dishing it, which he isn't doing.  Or something....

[CJ Shearn]

I just wonder why RVG is so secretive about his methods outside Maureen Sickler.  Wonder what his insecurities are/were? And in all honesty his remasters are not the worst out there, it's not like they are early 80's Columbia CD's or Iggy Pop "Raw Power".  When I heard a sample of an original RVG deep groove of "Soul Stirrin" at London Jazz Collector, it sounded so similar to one of his CD's.  RVG recordings are naturally in your face.  I've also learned that wav forms and dynamic range meters are not always a true way of showing compression as a lot of the SH crowd do.

[JSngry]

"ditch the dirt"

Isn't the phrase "dish the dirt"?  'Cause if you ditch it, you're NOT dishing it, which he isn't doing.  Or something....

Yeah, that's like when you're on a work crew or something and they have you dig a ditch and then fill it back up, over and over and over.

[erwbol]

I just wonder why RVG is so secretive about his methods outside Maureen Sickler.  Wonder what his insecurities are/were? And in all honesty his remasters are not the worst out there, it's not like they are early 80's Columbia CD's or Iggy Pop "Raw Power".  When I heard a sample of an original RVG deep groove of "Soul Stirrin" at London Jazz Collector, it sounded so similar to one of his CD's.  RVG recordings are naturally in your face.  I've also learned that wav forms and dynamic range meters are not always a true way of showing compression as a lot of the SH crowd do.

Perhaps not the worst out there, but, I'm sorry to say, mostly among the worst out there. You don't need graphs or waveforms.

I've never heard a vintage RVG Blue Note LP, and have my doubts over such samples. But put on any Yoshida mastered XRCD24 from Audio Wave followed by the corresponding RVG CD. That will show you the discrepancy between the beauty of what Rudy originally recorded and what he put out as 24bit remastered CD.

[CJ Shearn]

I've seen a few of those XRCD's for cheap on eBay.  Down the line I'd like to get one, of an album I don't own in another form, but  I'm focusing on moving soon.  I liked the way the HDTracks version of Art Blakey's "Mosaic" sounds a lot, the drums really pop.

[erwbol]

The earlier one's are going out of print fast, e.g. Soul Station, True Blue, Cool Struttin'. Won't be cheap for long.

[Kevin Bresnahan]

I just wonder why RVG is so secretive about his methods outside Maureen Sickler.  Wonder what his insecurities are/were? And in all honesty his remasters are not the worst out there, it's not like they are early 80's Columbia CD's or Iggy Pop "Raw Power".  When I heard a sample of an original RVG deep groove of "Soul Stirrin" at London Jazz Collector, it sounded so similar to one of his CD's.  RVG recordings are naturally in your face.  I've also learned that wav forms and dynamic range meters are not always a true way of showing compression as a lot of the SH crowd do.

Perhaps not the worst out there, but, I'm sorry to say, mostly among the worst out there. You don't need graphs or waveforms.

I've never heard a vintage RVG Blue Note LP, and have my doubts over such samples. But put on any Yoshida mastered XRCD24 from Audio Wave followed by the corresponding RVG CD. That will show you the discrepancy between the beauty of what Rudy originally recorded and what he put out as 24bit remastered CD.

But if you compare an XRCD24 disc to it's TOCJ counterpart, you'd be hard pressed to tell the difference. They are nearly identical.

[CJ Shearn]

I almost feel, and, I really like the sound, but the HDTracks "Mosaic"to my ear hi res brings out even more of Rudy's engineering flaws like the horns really peaking in a way the CD's don't.  I've heard one XRCD, I used to have Miles' "Workin" and I preferred the "Legendary Prestige Quintets" box version, the XRCD seemed a bit harsh up top for me.  Was it bad? no, not at all, I just thought it was harsh.  To be honest I've been not that into reissues so much like I used to be, unless it really was bad (like the RVG's of "Out To Lunch" and "Empyrean Isles") and I replaced those with the SHM's, I've been receiving so many promos new music to review, I've been more into recent recordings.

I just wonder why RVG is so secretive about his methods outside Maureen Sickler.  Wonder what his insecurities are/were? And in all honesty his remasters are not the worst out there, it's not like they are early 80's Columbia CD's or Iggy Pop "Raw Power".  When I heard a sample of an original RVG deep groove of "Soul Stirrin" at London Jazz Collector, it sounded so similar to one of his CD's.  RVG recordings are naturally in your face.  I've also learned that wav forms and dynamic range meters are not always a true way of showing compression as a lot of the SH crowd do.

Perhaps not the worst out there, but, I'm sorry to say, mostly among the worst out there. You don't need graphs or waveforms.

I've never heard a vintage RVG Blue Note LP, and have my doubts over such samples. But put on any Yoshida mastered XRCD24 from Audio Wave followed by the corresponding RVG CD. That will show you the discrepancy between the beauty of what Rudy originally recorded and what he put out as 24bit remastered CD.

But if you compare an XRCD24 disc to it's TOCJ counterpart, you'd be hard pressed to tell the difference. They are nearly identical.

Very interesting.  So, as an hypothetical example, theSpanish blue cover version of Horace's "Further Explorations" I have, which is just the TOCJ repackaged, if that title was on XRCD24 or planned to be, there'd be very little difference, Kevin?

[erwbol]

I just wonder why RVG is so secretive about his methods outside Maureen Sickler.  Wonder what his insecurities are/were? And in all honesty his remasters are not the worst out there, it's not like they are early 80's Columbia CD's or Iggy Pop "Raw Power".  When I heard a sample of an original RVG deep groove of "Soul Stirrin" at London Jazz Collector, it sounded so similar to one of his CD's.  RVG recordings are naturally in your face.  I've also learned that wav forms and dynamic range meters are not always a true way of showing compression as a lot of the SH crowd do.

Perhaps not the worst out there, but, I'm sorry to say, mostly among the worst out there. You don't need graphs or waveforms.

I've never heard a vintage RVG Blue Note LP, and have my doubts over such samples. But put on any Yoshida mastered XRCD24 from Audio Wave followed by the corresponding RVG CD. That will show you the discrepancy between the beauty of what Rudy originally recorded and what he put out as 24bit remastered CD.

But if you compare an XRCD24 disc to it's TOCJ counterpart, you'd be hard pressed to tell the difference. They are nearly identical.

I believe the rolled off tops on the TOCJs (90s BN Works) are clearly audible. That was my conclusion for the TOCJs I own when compared against the SHMs and HD Tracks downloads, both of which I believe do not have boosted highs, but also when compared against some Mosaic sets like the Andrew Hill big box.

[Kevin Bresnahan]

I almost feel, and, I really like the sound, but the HDTracks "Mosaic"to my ear hi res brings out even more of Rudy's engineering flaws like the horns really peaking in a way the CD's don't.  I've heard one XRCD, I used to have Miles' "Workin" and I preferred the "Legendary Prestige Quintets" box version, the XRCD seemed a bit harsh up top for me.  Was it bad? no, not at all, I just thought it was harsh.  To be honest I've been not that into reissues so much like I used to be, unless it really was bad (like the RVG's of "Out To Lunch" and "Empyrean Isles") and I replaced those with the SHM's, I've been receiving so many promos new music to review, I've been more into recent recordings.

I just wonder why RVG is so secretive about his methods outside Maureen Sickler.  Wonder what his insecurities are/were? And in all honesty his remasters are not the worst out there, it's not like they are early 80's Columbia CD's or Iggy Pop "Raw Power".  When I heard a sample of an original RVG deep groove of "Soul Stirrin" at London Jazz Collector, it sounded so similar to one of his CD's.  RVG recordings are naturally in your face.  I've also learned that wav forms and dynamic range meters are not always a true way of showing compression as a lot of the SH crowd do.

Perhaps not the worst out there, but, I'm sorry to say, mostly among the worst out there. You don't need graphs or waveforms.

I've never heard a vintage RVG Blue Note LP, and have my doubts over such samples. But put on any Yoshida mastered XRCD24 from Audio Wave followed by the corresponding RVG CD. That will show you the discrepancy between the beauty of what Rudy originally recorded and what he put out as 24bit remastered CD.

But if you compare an XRCD24 disc to it's TOCJ counterpart, you'd be hard pressed to tell the difference. They are nearly identical.

Very interesting.  So, as an hypothetical example, theSpanish blue cover version of Horace's "Further Explorations" I have, which is just the TOCJ repackaged, if that title was on XRCD24 or planned to be, there'd be very little difference, Kevin?

That's been my experience. You'll have to compare yourself and see if you agree.

[chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez]

shocked to learn here a relative of don sickler is rvgs personal assistant

Edited August 8, 2015 by chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez

[Kevin Bresnahan]

shocked to learn here a relative of don sickler is rvgs personal assistant

Spouse. She's been his assistant for many years.

[Larry Kart]

shocked to learn here a relative of don sickler is rvgs personal assistant

Why shocked?

[CJ Shearn]

shocked to learn here a relative of don sickler is rvgs personal assistant

Well, he's passed on his know how to someone, that's important.

I just wonder why RVG is so secretive about his methods outside Maureen Sickler.  Wonder what his insecurities are/were? And in all honesty his remasters are not the worst out there, it's not like they are early 80's Columbia CD's or Iggy Pop "Raw Power".  When I heard a sample of an original RVG deep groove of "Soul Stirrin" at London Jazz Collector, it sounded so similar to one of his CD's.  RVG recordings are naturally in your face.  I've also learned that wav forms and dynamic range meters are not always a true way of showing compression as a lot of the SH crowd do.

Perhaps not the worst out there, but, I'm sorry to say, mostly among the worst out there. You don't need graphs or waveforms.

I've never heard a vintage RVG Blue Note LP, and have my doubts over such samples. But put on any Yoshida mastered XRCD24 from Audio Wave followed by the corresponding RVG CD. That will show you the discrepancy between the beauty of what Rudy originally recorded and what he put out as 24bit remastered CD.

But if you compare an XRCD24 disc to it's TOCJ counterpart, you'd be hard pressed to tell the difference. They are nearly identical.

[ArtSalt]

"ditch the dirt"

Isn't the phrase "dish the dirt"?  'Cause if you ditch it, you're NOT dishing it, which he isn't doing.  Or something....

I prefer my vision of that saying!

 

 

[sonnymax]

"ditch the dirt"

Isn't the phrase "dish the dirt"?  'Cause if you ditch it, you're NOT dishing it, which he isn't doing.  Or something....

I prefer my vision of that saying!

 

 

There's no such thing as "ditch the dirt". There is something referred to as "dirt in the ditch". Decorum prevents me from explaining what it means, however. 

[Enterprise Server]

No words can suffice to accurately describe his contribution to the music. Master recorder and talent. No more to be said....

[xybert]

Posting here rather than digging up another RVG thread: something i've always wondered, did this style of cover, with the border, ever actually exist?

I've never seen an RVG with the border style cover in the flesh. Around 2006/2007 when i first started ordering them from Amazon US this style of cover was the one shown however when the CD arrived it'd be, er, borderless. Can anyone shed any light? Were CDs with this style of cover ever produced or was it just a promo image thing? Cheers.

[romualdo]

Posting here rather than digging up another RVG thread: something i've always wondered, did this style of cover, with the border, ever actually exist?

I've never seen an RVG with the border style cover in the flesh. Around 2006/2007 when i first started ordering them from Amazon US this style of cover was the one shown however when the CD arrived it'd be, er, borderless. Can anyone shed any light? Were CDs with this style of cover ever produced or was it just a promo image thing? Cheers.

The very first batch of US RVG's (1999 I think, not sure how many, I'm not at home at present) came in cardboard slipcases - not sure how many had the covers (probably the first run of the first issue) - above is the slipcase cover

[xybert]

Posting here rather than digging up another RVG thread: something i've always wondered, did this style of cover, with the border, ever actually exist?

I've never seen an RVG with the border style cover in the flesh. Around 2006/2007 when i first started ordering them from Amazon US this style of cover was the one shown however when the CD arrived it'd be, er, borderless. Can anyone shed any light? Were CDs with this style of cover ever produced or was it just a promo image thing? Cheers.

The very first batch of US RVG's (1999 I think, not sure how many, I'm not at home at present) came in cardboard slipcases - not sure how many had the covers (probably the first run of the first issue) - above is the slipcase cover

Interesting, thanks for that. 

[erwbol]

Posting here rather than digging up another RVG thread: something i've always wondered, did this style of cover, with the border, ever actually exist?

I've never seen an RVG with the border style cover in the flesh. Around 2006/2007 when i first started ordering them from Amazon US this style of cover was the one shown however when the CD arrived it'd be, er, borderless. Can anyone shed any light? Were CDs with this style of cover ever produced or was it just a promo image thing? Cheers.

The very first batch of US RVG's (1999 I think, not sure how many, I'm not at home at present) came in cardboard slipcases - not sure how many had the covers (probably the first run of the first issue) - above is the slipcase cover

Interesting, thanks for that. 

Same here in Europe (first batch of RVGs with 1999 remastering). On the back in the reproduction of the back artwork of the CD the artist's photo was replaced by a photo of RVG .

[xybert]

Posting here rather than digging up another RVG thread: something i've always wondered, did this style of cover, with the border, ever actually exist?

I've never seen an RVG with the border style cover in the flesh. Around 2006/2007 when i first started ordering them from Amazon US this style of cover was the one shown however when the CD arrived it'd be, er, borderless. Can anyone shed any light? Were CDs with this style of cover ever produced or was it just a promo image thing? Cheers.

The very first batch of US RVG's (1999 I think, not sure how many, I'm not at home at present) came in cardboard slipcases - not sure how many had the covers (probably the first run of the first issue) - above is the slipcase cover

Interesting, thanks for that. 

Same here in Europe (first batch of RVGs with 1999 remastering). On the back in the reproduction of the back artwork of the CD the artist's photo was replaced by a photo of RVG .

Now that you mention it, i've seen RVGs with the photo of Van Gelder on the back... might have been second hand ones though where the slipcase had been discarded. At least i hope i didn't buy any 'new' ones that had been resealed minus the slipcase. Anyway, at least now the mystery has been solved for me.

[sidewinder]

I've got stacks of those RVGs with the slipcase and Rudy's photo on the back. All of the early ones over here came with that. The first batch I remember as not having it were the one which included Herbie's 'Oblique' (infamous one with the misprint).

[king ubu]

Booby?

Some with slipcase I have include the amazing "Groovin' at Smalls' Paradise" by JOS, Kenny Burrell's "Midnight Blue", Tony Williams' "Life Time" ... might have a few more, but the copy of "Song for My Father" I have doesn't include a slipcase. Did they re-press later on without or did the store ditch it (not in the dumper, I hope)?

[erwbol]

At first, I just tore up and dumped the slipcases, wondering why the music sounded so flat and lifeless. Years later, I threw the RVG beer coasters in the trash as well. It's where most of them belong.