Milestones Posted June 25, 2015 Report Posted June 25, 2015 It's not always clear to me how much Ornette influenced this or that musician...there have been countless. For the most part I have followed those who actually played with Ornette, especially the earlier musicians. Unfortunately, I think they are all gone now. I particularly liked Old and New Dreams with four Colemen alumni, especially Playing on ECM. I'm a big fan of Charlie Haden, and the Ornette influence is strong on several of the "Montreal" records. Drummers...Ed Blackwell and Billy Higgins...oh yeah!Please discuss your favorites. Quote
paul secor Posted June 25, 2015 Report Posted June 25, 2015 (edited) The Moffett is an LP that's not well known and deserves to be reissued.The others are my favorite Bobby Bradford recordings - though perhaps others might not care as much for the live recording, since it's more straight ahead. Edited June 25, 2015 by paul secor Quote
paul secor Posted June 25, 2015 Report Posted June 25, 2015 Forgot this one - another favorite Bradford: Quote
jlhoots Posted June 25, 2015 Report Posted June 25, 2015 Izenzon was good on the Golden Circle albums. Quote
clifford_thornton Posted June 25, 2015 Report Posted June 25, 2015 Ornette collaborators still living include Bobby Bradford, Denardo Coleman, Bern Nix, James "Blood" Ulmer, Jamaladeen Tacuma, Al McDowell, Tony Falanga, Geri Allen, Charles Ellerbee, Charnett Moffett, Joachim Kühn, and Pharoah Sanders. I'm sure there are others.Don Cherry's work as a Coleman front-line partner is extraordinary, and he led many incredible bands afterwards. Other than the rough session with Sanders and Scianni in '64, I can't think of too many clinkers in his sizable discography. Quote
A Lark Ascending Posted June 25, 2015 Report Posted June 25, 2015 (edited) The Old Dreams New Dreams band were my route into Ornette Coleman.Though I'd add the Jarrett American Quartet even before that with the Dewey Redman connection. That's where I first heard that angular writing alongside the lush Romanticism at the other side of the band's personality. Edited June 25, 2015 by Bev Stapleton Quote
Milestones Posted June 25, 2015 Author Report Posted June 25, 2015 I remember trying to track down the Jackie McLean record for a long time, then I finally did find it. Certainly a winner, though (like many) I wish Ornette had played alto and/or tenor. Quote
danasgoodstuff Posted June 25, 2015 Report Posted June 25, 2015 Overall Ornette Alumni MVP, IMHO, unquestionably Don Cherry - his BN's are extraordinary and who didn't he play with? Trane, Sonny, Sanders, Gato, Albert,Steve Lacy, James Clay - he made lovely music with all of them. Which particular recording, that's harder... Quote
erwbol Posted June 25, 2015 Report Posted June 25, 2015 (edited) Worth a mention: Edited June 25, 2015 by erwbol Quote
ombudsman Posted June 25, 2015 Report Posted June 25, 2015 Ulmer's "Tales of Captain Black" (which Ornette plays on) was a life changer for me.David Izenzon did nice work on "The Country and Western Sound of Jazz Piano" (which is a lot cooler than the title suggests), on some Archie Shepp albums, and Jaki Byard's "Sunshine of My Soul".The Contortions - "Live in New York" consists of two shows where the lineup was blurred between James Chance's two bands, the Contortions and James White and the Blacks. I always thought Bern Nix' playing here made this set a good introduction for punk/no wave fans to the Ornette "school", especially on "Money to Burn" .I'm a Don Cherry completist, but to single something out, the double album Mu (parts 1 and 2) with Blackwell is a favorite.Dewey Redman's "Look for the Black Star" is my favorite of his records. (But recorded before he played with Ornette.) Quote
clifford_thornton Posted June 25, 2015 Report Posted June 25, 2015 Yeah, I have that Chance set, on a ROIR CD. It's excellent.Hard to choose Cherry, but other than the Togetherness suite (as recorded for Durium, with Aldo Romano and J-F Jenny-Clark), I'd single out his Swedish recordings as among the most go-to of the go-to. But that's just me, and that still covers a fair amount of ground: Eternal Now, Organic Music Society, Movement Incorporated, Live in Stockholm, and Modern Art. Would also like to hear the full session that bore La Maison Fille du Soliel (w/ Tusques, Guerin, Jenny-Clark), which is very cool but too damn short. Quote
Joe Posted June 25, 2015 Report Posted June 25, 2015 I'm a fan of Ed Blackwell's two Enja dates with Carlos Ward, Graham Haynes and Mark Helis. WHAT IT IS and WHAT IT BE LIKE.Though, really, jump on the Dewey Redman / Blackwell RED & BLACK IN WILISAU before all else. Quote
.:.impossible Posted June 26, 2015 Report Posted June 26, 2015 Thanks for that duet reminder Joe! Quote
Milestones Posted June 26, 2015 Author Report Posted June 26, 2015 Raise your hand if you wish Ornette had met up with Coltrane one time (instead it was Trane and Cherry) or if you wish Ornette and Sonny had recorded together in their primes. Quote
Chuck Nessa Posted June 26, 2015 Report Posted June 26, 2015 i don't see either pair mixing well. Quote
Milestones Posted June 26, 2015 Author Report Posted June 26, 2015 Why not? Why not at least the attempt? Isn't it fair to say that Trane and Sonny admired Ornette as much as did Jackie Mac? Quote
jlhoots Posted June 26, 2015 Report Posted June 26, 2015 I'm a fan of Ed Blackwell's two Enja dates with Carlos Ward, Graham Haynes and Mark Helis. WHAT IT IS and WHAT IT BE LIKE.Though, really, jump on the Dewey Redman / Blackwell RED & BLACK IN WILISAU before all else.All 3 of those are great! Quote
JSngry Posted June 26, 2015 Report Posted June 26, 2015 Red & Black is simply wondermous, it only gets as good as that, never better. Quote
clifford_thornton Posted June 26, 2015 Report Posted June 26, 2015 Why not? Why not at least the attempt? Isn't it fair to say that Trane and Sonny admired Ornette as much as did Jackie Mac? Admiration, yes, but their musical worlds were quite different (especially Coltrane). Though I don't think New and Old Gospel is one of McLean's best records, the link between Ornette and Jackie is Charlie Parker, whom both were responding to and/or expanding on. It would have been interesting to hear them both playing alto on record, at least for one cut. Quote
7/4 Posted June 26, 2015 Report Posted June 26, 2015 Ornette and Derek Bailey would have been interesting, but probably didn't happen. . Quote
Milestones Posted June 26, 2015 Author Report Posted June 26, 2015 Trane had open ears and was very adaptable, and it's worth noting that both Elvin Jones and Jimmy Garrison played with Ornette. Quote
clifford_thornton Posted June 27, 2015 Report Posted June 27, 2015 Might be worth reading Ornette's comments on Garrison's adaptability in Black Music: Four Lives. Quote
Joe Posted June 27, 2015 Report Posted June 27, 2015 If only there were recordings extant of that Newport Rebels group: Ornette, Kenny Dorham, Mingus, and Max Roach, IIRC. At least, there are photos in the Mosaic COMPLETE MINGUS CANDID box suggesting this quartet played together at the 1960 Newport Rebel Festival.Ta-da! Quote
JSngry Posted June 27, 2015 Report Posted June 27, 2015 Did Ornette & Ayler ever practice/jam together? I could not see that not ever happening. Quote
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