Hardbopjazz Posted June 23, 2015 Report Share Posted June 23, 2015 I didn't get to read the replies so I a posting the topic again. On Bird Flight, Phil played newly discovered takes from the Cole Porter Song Book. Do these takes exist on any recordings yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
l p Posted June 23, 2015 Report Share Posted June 23, 2015 there's one new take on the recently issued 'with strings deluxe edition'. do you think that schapp played more than one new take? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardbopjazz Posted June 23, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 23, 2015 Yes he played more. I think he played 4 new ones on Bird Flight, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
l p Posted June 23, 2015 Report Share Posted June 23, 2015 i looked through losin's discography yesterday after you posted. there are no other new items listed for the recording dates that were used for the Cole Porter Song Book album. so the other items that you heard are completely unissued. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardbopjazz Posted June 23, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 23, 2015 Thanks Len. Hopefully soon these new ones get issued somewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardbopjazz Posted June 24, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 24, 2015 June 24's Bird Flight, Phil eluded to 5 recently discovered takes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quasimado Posted August 16, 2015 Report Share Posted August 16, 2015 (edited) "The Complete Charlie Parker on Verve" is supposed to include all recordings & alternates Bird made for the label - but as can be seen from the above, that is certainly not the case.Another case in point is the Diverse/ Segment session from 5/5/1949. On Disc 2 there is one take of "Segment" and one of "Diverse" (which are, in fact, the same tune!).However, on the Half Speed Jazz site (http://halfspeedjazz.blogspot.jp/p/about.html), there is a further alternate labeled "Diverse" with an absolutely amazing Bird solo. Losin’s discography has the following concerning this session, and as can be seen there are 2 full takes of each of “Segment” and “Diverse” (same tune):May 5, 1949 (19 items; TT = 32:39)Unknown recording studio, New York NYCommercial for MercuryCharlie Parker and His Orchestra Charlie Parker (as); Kenny Dorham (tpt); Al Haig (p); Tommy Potter (b); Max Roach (d) 1Segment (take 1 (inc)) [Tune X] (C. Parker)0:432Segment (take 2 (inc)) [Tune X] (C. Parker)0:433Segment (take 3 (fs)) [Tune X] (C. Parker)0:254Segment (take 4) [Tune X] (C. Parker)3:195Segment (take 5 (fs)) [Tune X] (C. Parker)0:296Segment (take 6 (inc)) [Tune X] (C. Parker)0:467Diverse (take 7) [Tune X] (C. Parker)3:198Segment (unknown take) [Tune X] (C. Parker)3:189Diverse (alternate take) [Tune X] (C. Parker)3:15 The “Half Speed Jazz” track (“Diverse”) obviously comes from this session, but was not included on the Verve set. Does anybody know about this take – was it ever released anywhere on Clef/ Verve? If not, where did the “Half Speed Jazz” people get it? Also, what happened to the remaining track?Q Edited August 16, 2015 by Quasimado Space - not successful Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
l p Posted August 16, 2015 Report Share Posted August 16, 2015 (edited) the item on halfspeedjazz is this entry in losin4 Segment (take 4) [Tune X] (C. Parker) 3:19 and whatever 'newly discovered' means in this case. there are other boxes that are now known to be incomplete. the coltrane complete impulse for example. even without all the items that were later given to impulse by the family and later issued (alternates of ballads, tunji session, sun ship session, etc), the alternate take of 'dusk dawn' should probably have been included in the box because it was discovered long before all the others above.i think 'complete' means that this is what the label wanted to release to us at the time. even the coltrane village vanguard box is not complete. the first india is missing the beginning, talk/setting up between tunes, and one long tune which can be found on the web has some foreign signal noise in spots, and balance problems. Edited August 16, 2015 by l p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnblitweiler Posted August 16, 2015 Report Share Posted August 16, 2015 hate the metal box Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quasimado Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 (edited) lp - thanks for that. I checked out Phil Schaap's Birdflight archives and heard the full session. Bird is in full flight (so is Phil - 35 minutes before any music - I like him but there's a limit ...). Still, the music is there. For anyone interested its 'Birdflight (4/21/2014) - Bird Quintet's studio dates with Norman Granz'. All the alternates should be released.Q Edited August 17, 2015 by Quasimado spacing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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