RiRiIII Posted March 12, 2015 Report Posted March 12, 2015 A great box set. That said I've bought the recent 24 bit Warner Japan remasters and man they sound great! Lon, you did it again... Mercy... Quote
jazzbo Posted March 12, 2015 Report Posted March 12, 2015 I know. Did it a while ago, but yeah. Tried just one, went with the others because the sound was so good. Others knock this series but my system likes them. Quote
Scott Dolan Posted March 12, 2015 Report Posted March 12, 2015 What is a "sleek, hard clamshell box"? A dopey way to describe the inserts that house the discs. Quote
David Ayers Posted March 12, 2015 Report Posted March 12, 2015 I love the language. While before we had 'jewel case' for plastic tat, now we have 'clamshell' for shiny cardboard box. Quote
corto maltese Posted March 12, 2015 Report Posted March 12, 2015 (edited) Much as I like the original box set, a slimmed-down reissue is a rather meager present for Ornette's 85th birthday. Edited March 12, 2015 by corto maltese Quote
Clunky Posted March 12, 2015 Report Posted March 12, 2015 I know. Did it a while ago, but yeah. Tried just one, went with the others because the sound was so good. Others knock this series but my system likes them. I picked up "To whom keeps a record" in the recent "Japanese" 24bit edition. It shares 2 tracks with the 1988 issue of "The Art of the Improvisers" . The recent disc totally smokes the '88 disc by an uncomfortable margin. So I can see Lon's view point here. It would be a pity if this reissue of the box uses masterings which are over 25 yrs old IMO. If you get the new box report back here Quote
erwbol Posted March 12, 2015 Report Posted March 12, 2015 (edited) IMO if you want to know how good The Shape Of Jazz To Come can sound in the digital domain try the ORG Music hybrid SACD mastered by Bernie Grundman. Seriously, I'll eat my shoes if these Japanese discs sound better. Edited March 13, 2015 by erwbol Quote
Scott Dolan Posted March 12, 2015 Report Posted March 12, 2015 I know. Did it a while ago, but yeah. Tried just one, went with the others because the sound was so good. Others knock this series but my system likes them. I picked up "To whom keeps a record" in the recent "Japanese" 24bit edition. It shares 2 tracks with the 1988 issue of "The Art of the Improvisers" . The recent disc totally smokes the '88 disc by an uncomfortable margin. So I can see Lon's view point here. It would be a pity if this reissue of the box uses masterings which are over 25 yrs old IMO. If you get the new box report back here Interesting take, Clunky. While I would love to hear the 24 bit remasters, the one thing I will say (and I'm sure even you and Lon will at least nod in semi-agreement) is that the masters used for the original (current?) box set are some of the finest from that era. I mean, OK, if it's a leap in sonics like the Deluxe Edition of A Love Supreme, then I can see it. What I can't see is that it would be such a gargantuan leap. The previous ALS master was really lacking. The previous Ornette masters were anything but. What I'm trying unsuccessfully to say is that I wouldn't necessarily consider it a pity not to hear the 24 bit remasters. It would be nice, but what we already have is far more than sufficient. Quote
colinmce Posted March 12, 2015 Report Posted March 12, 2015 I may buy this despite having original or early pressings of the Atlantics plus the Japanese "to whom keeps a record" LP...easy format for the car stereo. Def! I have the box, all the original albums on CD, plus Ornette!, This Is Our Music, and Free Jazz (x2!) on LP. Quote
Leeway Posted March 12, 2015 Report Posted March 12, 2015 I have all the LPs, have the box for "back-up" . ACtually, I wanted it for the chron order. I find that's often illuminating. Quote
Chuck Nessa Posted March 12, 2015 Report Posted March 12, 2015 I have all the LPs, have the box for "back-up" . ACtually, I wanted it for the chron order. I find that's often illuminating. As are the original programs, but I no longer have the originals. Quote
Sundog Posted March 12, 2015 Report Posted March 12, 2015 Procrastination pays off! I don't find Ornette difficult at all but I have very little of this music on Atlantic. Placed my order. Quote
Scott Dolan Posted March 12, 2015 Report Posted March 12, 2015 His Atlantic material is simply astonishing. Too bad so much of it was lost. Quote
xybert Posted March 12, 2015 Report Posted March 12, 2015 (edited) Question: have the six tracks that at the time of original release were previously unreleased been released elsewhere since? (i made a mouthful of that sorry). According to Wikipedia they were: "The Tribes of New York" "Rise and Shine" "Mr. and Mrs. People" "I Heard It Over the Radio" "Revolving Doors" "Proof Readers" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beauty_Is_a_Rare_Thing I have everything else from the set on disc but am considering picking up the box for many of the reasons people above have mentioned, but also for six whole new-to-me tracks! Edited March 12, 2015 by xybert Quote
CJ Shearn Posted March 13, 2015 Report Posted March 13, 2015 It must be like the Columbia Complete Album sets right? The Weather Report 1971-75 definitely is that, a shiny "clamshell" box. I always thought clamshell boxes were what the 32 Jazz discs came in? Quote
Clunky Posted March 13, 2015 Report Posted March 13, 2015 Question: have the six tracks that at the time of original release were previously unreleased been released elsewhere since? (i made a mouthful of that sorry). According to Wikipedia they were: "The Tribes of New York" "Rise and Shine" "Mr. and Mrs. People" "I Heard It Over the Radio" "Revolving Doors" "Proof Readers" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beauty_Is_a_Rare_Thing I have everything else from the set on disc but am considering picking up the box for many of the reasons people above have mentioned, but also for six whole new-to-me tracks! I have "Proof readers" as a bonus on one Ornette disc- forget which Quote
sidewinder Posted March 13, 2015 Report Posted March 13, 2015 This was/is a perfect box set. Love this, and the Mingus and Coltrane Atlantic sets. Have never felt any need to upgrade any of those recordings, 20 years on now. Ditto. Quote
xybert Posted March 13, 2015 Report Posted March 13, 2015 (edited) Question: have the six tracks that at the time of original release were previously unreleased been released elsewhere since? (i made a mouthful of that sorry). According to Wikipedia they were: "The Tribes of New York" "Rise and Shine" "Mr. and Mrs. People" "I Heard It Over the Radio" "Revolving Doors" "Proof Readers" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beauty_Is_a_Rare_Thing I have everything else from the set on disc but am considering picking up the box for many of the reasons people above have mentioned, but also for six whole new-to-me tracks! I have "Proof readers" as a bonus on one Ornette disc- forget which Yeah forgot it's on Ornette! Edited March 13, 2015 by xybert Quote
Leeway Posted March 13, 2015 Report Posted March 13, 2015 I have all the LPs, have the box for "back-up" . ACtually, I wanted it for the chron order. I find that's often illuminating. As are the original programs, but I no longer have the originals. What I was trying to say was that the CDs goes by session date and pulls tracks from different albums or unreleased material and places them in chron order. Since I'm lazy, the CDs make that easier to follow. Or am i missing something? Quote
jazzbo Posted March 13, 2015 Report Posted March 13, 2015 (edited) IMO if you want to know how good The Shape Of Jazz To Come can sound in the digital domain try the ORG Music hybrid SACD mastered by Bernie Grundman. Seriously, I'll eat my shoes if these Japanese discs sound better. I have that SACD. SACDs sound better than redbook cds, I haven't compared the redbook layers. But the Warner Japan cd sounds very very good imo. Scott, all I can say is that I was surprised by the improved sonics, and decided they were significant enough for this important muisc to collect the Japanese cds. I think it's a larger improvement than you may think on my system and with my ears, but only your listening could define that for you. And nothing to worry about if you have the music, I just enjoy these comparisons and having improved sound. Edited March 13, 2015 by jazzbo Quote
Scott Dolan Posted March 13, 2015 Report Posted March 13, 2015 (edited) Hmmm…that's certainly intriguing. But, I guess when it comes down to it, I'm very happy with the original masters. The clarity and depth was really a benchmark for the time period. Columbia's from that same time period sound inferior, IMO. (Time Out being a notable exception) You're an Ornette completist, so I can see why they would be very significant for you. I'm good for the time being, but who knows what the future holds? I may get a wild hair someday, and it's nice to know what's out there. Edited March 13, 2015 by Scott Dolan Quote
jazzbo Posted March 13, 2015 Report Posted March 13, 2015 (edited) Well, being Japanese cd issues. . . they're out there. And then not. Frustrating. I have been buying a lot of these releases because they are limited and they all sound better than other issues I have of the material on digital, especially better than Collectables releases. They released two of the very first lps I ever owned (Charles Bell and the Contemporary Jazz Quartet "Another Dimension"/Leo Wright "Blues Shout") which sound wonderful and really surprised me that they would be released early on in that series. Because I collect them I got all the Mingus and Coltrane off the bat and have been getting more as time goes by. This also allows me to give away other issues of the material to my jazz-loving brother and other jazz newbies. Interesting. . .I find Atlantic recordings to sort of be all over the map in quality, and find Columbia releases to be of consistent (and imo better) quality generally during this time period. Edited March 13, 2015 by jazzbo Quote
erwbol Posted March 13, 2015 Report Posted March 13, 2015 (edited) I found the recent Japanese Atlantic remasters to be pumped up with white hot treble and loud (Mingus, Blakey/Monk, Lloyd). A lot of people like theirs pumped up like that. Joy of a Toy. Perhaps the Ornette's are better than the other Japanese Atlantics? Edited March 13, 2015 by erwbol Quote
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