Larry Kart Posted March 4, 2015 Report Posted March 4, 2015 Caught the last four or so minutes of this on the car radio and could scarcely believe my ears. Check in at about the 10-minute mark -- it sounds like the keyboard is made of oatmeal. Or am I missing something remarkable here that I'm not equipped to get? Quote
Ted O'Reilly Posted March 4, 2015 Report Posted March 4, 2015 Can't get it: "This video is not available" it says, for Toronto at least. (Interesting you still have a car radio -- I hear it's next off the list, following the cassette player and CD player...) Quote
Larry Kart Posted March 5, 2015 Author Report Posted March 5, 2015 Can't get it: "This video is not available" it says, for Toronto at least. (Interesting you still have a car radio -- I hear it's next off the list, following the cassette player and CD player...) Posted link works for me. Oatmeal? Like the keyboard is made of something soft and sticky? Quote
JSngry Posted March 5, 2015 Report Posted March 5, 2015 I had oatmeal for breakfast yesterday...but it didn't sound like Brubeck. Something wrong with my microwave? Quote
Larry Kart Posted March 5, 2015 Author Report Posted March 5, 2015 I had oatmeal for breakfast yesterday...but it didn't sound like Brubeck. Something wrong with my microwave? No -- but if you had tried to play block chords in your bowl of warm oatmeal it might have sounded/felt time-wise like Brubeck does on "C Jam Blues." Quote
AllenLowe Posted March 5, 2015 Report Posted March 5, 2015 that's Brubeck; he only had about 4 different solos; that's the one known as Breakfast Cereal. Quote
Scott Dolan Posted March 5, 2015 Report Posted March 5, 2015 Can't get it: "This video is not available" it says, for Toronto at least. (Interesting you still have a car radio -- I hear it's next off the list, following the cassette player and CD player...) Posted link works for me. Oatmeal? Like the keyboard is made of something soft and sticky? Wow. Yeah, I definitely hear what you're talking about. Sounds as though he's trying to tentatively walk himself through some kind of slow-motion 60's era avant garde. It certainly isn't Brubeck-ian, and I'm not sure what to think about it. Though seemingly well thought out, it does come across as slow and sloppy... Will have to listen to it again. Quote
JSngry Posted March 5, 2015 Report Posted March 5, 2015 Hmmm...didn't hear it like that, just heard more of Brubeck's long-used polymetrics. Although I guess he was getting old by the time of that date, maybe I was just compensating out of expectations. But basically, he's always done that, played one meter over another, even one tempo over the other. What would be fun/"fun" would be when neither him nor Morello were playing the original time. Gene Wright had some solid time to hold that shit together, believe me. Quote
JSngry Posted March 5, 2015 Report Posted March 5, 2015 Ok, at the 11:00 mark, I hear him starting from a quarter note triplet feel over the walking 4 and then superimposing over that, sometimes in what initially feels like 5-over-3-over-4, adding/subtracting along the way as he sees fit to make everything land right.. Not sure about that, and not going to get into it now to that level. But the math is right, definitely right, Can't say that I've ever heard Brubeck's math not be right, even when any number of other things might leave you wanting, his math never did, he always lands right, and you can reverse-engineer everything back, he's good like that. Quote
Scott Dolan Posted March 5, 2015 Report Posted March 5, 2015 You're probably right, Jim. And while I suppose a politically incorrect "age correction" should be applied, I still hear a master pianist slogging through a solo that even he doesn't seem sure of. When you have to say a Brubeck solo is "interesting", it's not exactly high praise. It's really not praise at all. Quote
JSngry Posted March 5, 2015 Report Posted March 5, 2015 Well, you can't do math like that if you're not sure of it. Shit's metronomic within itself like all fuck. Brubeck was always metronomic as fuck, that was his thing. Mean that as neither praise or dismissal, it just is what it is. Warne Marsh would do math like that too, but he was quiet about it. Nothing quiet about Brubeck! Hell, the whole Plugged Nickel thing is built off of subdivided subdivisions of subdivisions. But that was a different flavor. Same math, though, just different flavor. Quote
Teasing the Korean Posted March 5, 2015 Report Posted March 5, 2015 Most artists start to lose it by this point in their career, with a few exceptions. Listen to the good stuff. Quote
Scott Dolan Posted March 5, 2015 Report Posted March 5, 2015 I'm certainly not arguing against the math, Jim. I'm strictly commenting on the sonic result as an end user. While it may add up mathematically, it still falls a bit flat aesthetically. Not "cold and calculated" a la Phineas Newborn Jr., mind you. Just...well, not terribly pleasing. Or perhaps "good" is the better word. Larry heard it. I hear it. You don't. That's fine. Like WAR in baseball, it may add up mathematically, but it will never trump the eye test. Or ear test, as this case may be. Quote
JSngry Posted March 5, 2015 Report Posted March 5, 2015 If the end user hears slog but not math, yet the math is provably there, you gotta wonder why that is. Follow the bass player and see where Brubeck lands when he comes out of wherever he's gone off into his further subdivisions (and note that even when playing triplets all the way through, different meters can still "happen" by shifting the accents within the flow). And even hen's he's off into there, listen to him relative to where he started and where he ends. I don't care if you "like" it or not. I'm not really "thrilled" by it myself, I seldom am "thrilled" by a Brubeck solo. But note that we've already gone from it sounding like he's "unsure" to it now just not being terribly esthetically pleasing (like when is that ever NOT gonna a question about Brubeck's playing?). Where next on the Parade Of Homes, Holmes? Quote
Scott Dolan Posted March 5, 2015 Report Posted March 5, 2015 If the end user hears slog but not math, yet the math is provably there, you gotta wonder why that is. Do you? Why? Math Rock adds up perfectly on paper as well. That doesn't mean it isn't a slog. I'm terribly sorry, my friend. But math is not art. And while they don't have to be mutually exclusive, one does not have to equal the other. No matter how far one has to reach to make a point. But note that we've already gone from it sounding like he's "unsure" to it now just not being terribly esthetically pleasing... I'll note nothing of the sort, since I haven't moved from one to the other. He does indeed sound unsure, IMO, and it is aesthetically unpleasing. If you want to discuss this, I'm more than happy to oblige. But please stop with the straw man arguments. Quote
JSngry Posted March 5, 2015 Report Posted March 5, 2015 Oh, now we're talking about how things sound to a listener "sounds unsure" vs what is actually, provably there (math correct d/n = unsure). You want me to move this to the Audio Forum? Quote
Scott Dolan Posted March 5, 2015 Report Posted March 5, 2015 How it sounds to the listener is paramount. If not, then it's simply musical masturbation. And if that were the case, said musician would have never made it out of his/her own basement. As philosophically silly as you sometimes are (in a good way, I suppose), I don't believe for one second that you're taking your argument seriously, even a little bit. Quote
chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez Posted March 5, 2015 Report Posted March 5, 2015 i really dug the last brubeck concert i ever saw, actually the performance was insane i was few ft away from behind the piano and saw it all. one of the songs was i kid not flat-out funk. it was the last time of my brubeck concert experiences Quote
king ubu Posted March 5, 2015 Report Posted March 5, 2015 But this begs the question: is oatmeal still oatmeal after it has been microwaved? Quote
Peter Friedman Posted March 5, 2015 Report Posted March 5, 2015 It depends on how long you microwave it. The math is the important element ! Quote
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