Tom 1960 Posted November 20, 2014 Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 (edited) I've been listening to the past few days many of Jackie's fine recordings for the label during the 1960's time period and must say what a sheer delight it has been to hear them after a long absence. If you too haven't listened to some of these sessions recently, why not dig back into the collection and pull a few out? See if you agree with my thoughts? Maybe post a few thoughts? That's my recommendation! Edited November 20, 2014 by Tom 1960 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFrank Posted November 20, 2014 Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 Will do! The Mosaic box is a good place to start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmce Posted November 20, 2014 Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 These records are never more than a couple months out of rotation. The 1964-66 music on the Mosaic is certainly the pinnacle, but let's not forget all the wonderful sessions from 1959-1963, my favorites of which are Jackie's Bag and Bluesnik. Of the later stuff, Destination Out! and It's Time stand out. But it's all pretty much perfect. Consequence is slighter than some of the other sessions, and I also don't much care for New & Old Gospel. Still don't have Bout Soul or Demon's Dance. For my money, though, one of the truly great purple patches in jazz music. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlhoots Posted November 20, 2014 Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 Will do! The Mosaic box is a good place to start. One of my top 3 Mosaics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted November 20, 2014 Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 These records are never more than a couple months out of rotation. The 1964-66 music on the Mosaic is certainly the pinnacle, but let's not forget all the wonderful sessions from 1959-1963, my favorites of which are Jackie's Bag and Bluesnik. Of the later stuff, Destination Out! and It's Time stand out. But it's all pretty much perfect. Consequence is slighter than some of the other sessions, and I also don't much care for New & Old Gospel. Still don't have Bout Soul or Demon's Dance. For my money, though, one of the truly great purple patches in jazz music. Demon Dance was just reissued in Japan and is well worth seeking out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFrank Posted November 20, 2014 Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 Don't forget the Grachan Moncur Mosaic Select. Four of the six albums are Jackie's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felser Posted November 20, 2014 Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 (edited) Still waiting for single CD release of the 'High Frequency' and 'Hipnosis' sessions! Anyone have any knowledge on these? Love his BN's in general, with the 'One Step Beyond' and 'Jacknife' albums and the cut "Appointment in Ghana" coming to mind as favorites. Not a big fan of "Tippin' The Scales", but that's about the only one that isn't a success to my ears on at least some level. Edited November 20, 2014 by felser Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clunky Posted November 20, 2014 Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 I've never understood the antipathy towards "Tippin' the Scales". For me "Swing, swang, swingin'" is his low point on Blue Note. All relative of course as it's good enough to keep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel A Posted November 20, 2014 Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 (edited) I've never understood the antipathy towards "Tippin' the Scales". For me "Swing, swang, swingin'" is his low point on Blue Note. All relative of course as it's good enough to keep. I agree with this. For me, Jacknife is the one I'm returning to the most, if only because I love "Blue Fable". I like Jackie the most when he's going almost out, but over chord changes (as opposed to more "free" contexts). Edited November 20, 2014 by Daniel A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felser Posted November 20, 2014 Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 I've never understood the antipathy towards "Tippin' the Scales". For me "Swing, swang, swingin'" is his low point on Blue Note. All relative of course as it's good enough to keep. forgot about that one, don't much care for it either. Those were conscious steps backward for a musician who was making breakthroughs moving forward. I've never understood the antipathy towards "Tippin' the Scales". For me "Swing, swang, swingin'" is his low point on Blue Note. All relative of course as it's good enough to keep. I agree with this. For me, Jacknife is the one I'm returning to the most, if only because I love "Blue Fable". I like Jackie the most when he's going almost out, but over chord changes (as opposed to more "free" contexts). "Blue Fable" and "On The Nile", yeah! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFrank Posted November 20, 2014 Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 I liked him when he was paired up with Lee Morgan, too - like Tom Cat, Charisma, Sixth Sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rooster_Ties Posted November 20, 2014 Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 I liked him when he was paired up with Lee Morgan, too - like Tom Cat, Charisma, Sixth Sense. Infinity (under Lee's name) is maybe my favorite Lee & Jackie date. Yeow!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 Fully-ish understand why/how it could never/never did happen, but in theory...considering how well Jackie did with Grachan's thing, wouldn't it be worth a consideration to ponder a pairing of Jackie with Alan Shorter and/or his book? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul secor Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 I love the 1963 recordings with Grachan Moncur III and Bobby Hutcherson and have wondered why he moved back into conventional hard bop settings. Perhaps record company pressure, fans' expectations? Perhaps I'm in a minority, but I was sorry he made a move back to conventionality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homefromtheforest Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 I love the 1963 recordings with Grachan Moncur III and Bobby Hutcherson and have wondered why he moved back into conventional hard bop settings. Perhaps record company pressure, fans' expectations? Perhaps I'm in a minority, but I was sorry he made a move back to conventionality. I agree so I'll join you in the minority!Although I do enjoy his mid to late 60s blue notes still, but my go to records are those 2 early dates with Moncur and Hutcherson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 Not sure if it was a case of moving back or just naturally moving back and forth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 (edited) A. FICKLE. SONANCE. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWwPQycvPzI Edited November 21, 2014 by Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felser Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 A. FICKLE. SONANCE. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWwPQycvPzI A. FICKLE. SONANCE. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWwPQycvPzI That album was the holy grail when I first got into jazz collecting in 1972, the album no one I knew had ever seen or heard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewHill Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 Starting with let freedom to demons dance is a treasure: u get Jackie pushing it to back to hard bop n to me I'd wish he'd got more pointed (esp with ornettte) but I don't leave this work unamused; indeed I turn to let freedom ring n new n old gospep most Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clifford_thornton Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 Not sure if it was a case of moving back or just naturally moving back and forth. Totally. Very fluid dude. And we know, or at least I think we do, that he tried some things with Rashied Ali and Norman Connors, more open, and he was not personally satisfied by their approach, and how those drummers shaped his music. Cf. Roy Haynes, Tony Williams, Jack De Johnette... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clunky Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 A. FICKLE. SONANCE. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWwPQycvPzI A. FICKLE. SONANCE. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWwPQycvPzI That album was the holy grail when I first got into jazz collecting in 1972, the album no one I knew had ever seen or heard. I held this in no special regard when I first heard it on the RVG CD. The sound was a real turn off. A Toshiba LP and finally a NY mono revealed what a great session this is. Both LP editions sounding leagues better than the CD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homefromtheforest Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 I have a King pressing that sounds very nice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clifford_thornton Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 same here. Wonderful date. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted November 23, 2014 Report Share Posted November 23, 2014 I'm also a huge fan of the quintet date with KD and the Clark / Warren / Higgins rhythm section that was originally issued as part of HIPNOSIS 2-LP set. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluesnik Posted November 23, 2014 Report Share Posted November 23, 2014 This is a real Hackensack to Englewood Cliffs album, with one session recorded at the old studio and the other at the new. I wasn't aware of this and just saw it. Plus there's Tina Brooks, a man I like a lot, on the second session. I was hungry today for some McLean. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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