mjazzg Posted October 31, 2014 Report Posted October 31, 2014 I admit I should have included a baseball player--and Babe would be the choice. Muhammed Ali is a good choice. Charlie Chaplin is a good choice.I would question the need for a baseball player unless this is a US list only. I'm not sure it has the global reach and recognition beyond the playing countries. That's why I suggested Ali as he was recognised probably anywhere that mass media reached at the time - I'm not too sure many other sports people have had that reach since. Quote
ejp626 Posted October 31, 2014 Report Posted October 31, 2014 I admit I should have included a baseball player--and Babe would be the choice. Muhammed Ali is a good choice. Charlie Chaplin is a good choice. I would question the need for a baseball player unless this is a US list only. I'm not sure it has the global reach and recognition beyond the playing countries. That's why I suggested Ali as he was recognised probably anywhere that mass media reached at the time - I'm not too sure many other sports people have had that reach since. Michael Jordan. Quite possibly even more recognized worldwide than Ali, even at the height of his fame, I think the list really has to be broken into 1900-1950 and 1950-2000. For someone in my generation, you might arguably still count Sinatra but not remotely Bing Crosby. He's just not even on the radar. Conversely for an older generation you might possibly concede Michael Jackson was huge but not even know who Madonna was (back to the original list). Quote
Teasing the Korean Posted October 31, 2014 Report Posted October 31, 2014 Rose Marie Kaye Ballard Wally Cox Morey Amsterdam Jan Murray Buddy Hackett Marty Allen Charlie Weaver Paul Lynde Charo Quote
Van Basten II Posted October 31, 2014 Report Posted October 31, 2014 (edited) I admit I should have included a baseball player--and Babe would be the choice. Muhammed Ali is a good choice. Charlie Chaplin is a good choice. I would question the need for a baseball player unless this is a US list only. I'm not sure it has the global reach and recognition beyond the playing countries. That's why I suggested Ali as he was recognised probably anywhere that mass media reached at the time - I'm not too sure many other sports people have had that reach since. Michael Jordan. Quite possibly even more recognized worldwide than Ali, even at the height of his fame, I think the list really has to be broken into 1900-1950 and 1950-2000. For someone in my generation, you might arguably still count Sinatra but not remotely Bing Crosby. He's just not even on the radar. Conversely for an older generation you might possibly concede Michael Jackson was huge but not even know who Madonna was (back to the original list). Thing is is that in terms of wordwide recognition the world got smaller as the years went by, it was easier for MJ to be known around the world in late 80s and 90s than for Ali in the 60s and 70s,. It is almost impossible to compare celebrities in such a span, I agree you should spilt it in part. Print era, radio era, tv era, cable tv satellite tv era, web era Edited October 31, 2014 by Van Basten II Quote
Neal Pomea Posted October 31, 2014 Report Posted October 31, 2014 Rose Marie Kaye Ballard Wally Cox Morey Amsterdam Jan Murray Buddy Hackett Marty Allen Charlie Weaver Paul Lynde Charo Ricardo Montalban. Cordoba HAS what he needs. Quote
Teasing the Korean Posted October 31, 2014 Report Posted October 31, 2014 The fact that I cover only the last half of the century shows that... A) it's a reflection of my experience, having been born in 1960; 2) maybe pop icons don't last much more than 50 years. Fifty years? Pop artists are truly blessed if they 50 years. Most of them don't get more than three. Quote
Milestones Posted October 31, 2014 Author Report Posted October 31, 2014 (edited) Indeed, there is the issue of being American-centric, and possibly Euro-centric. But in more recent times it is easier to spread fame into almost every part of the word. It is about fame--the image--as well as oftentimes the facts of a tragic or controversial life. Edited October 31, 2014 by Milestones Quote
Milestones Posted October 31, 2014 Author Report Posted October 31, 2014 With all due respect to those speaking in terms of a decade or less, no, that is not the case. A "sensation" can have enormous fame for just a few years. By my definition, an "icon" will continue to be highly recognized for 50-100 years. Three years? Take Sinatra, who was truly famous for 50 or more years during his lifetime. Fifty years from now he will still be famous. Fame is fleeting, yet we are talking about an entire century. My initial list was incredibly insufficient. Quote
Milestones Posted October 31, 2014 Author Report Posted October 31, 2014 FILM: Charlie Chaplin Fred Astaire Humphrey Bogart Elizabeth Taylor Marilyn Monroe Cary Grant Gary Cooper Audrey Hepburn John Wayne Alfred Hitchcock Quote
uli Posted October 31, 2014 Report Posted October 31, 2014 (edited) FILM (Europe) Brigitte Bardot Gina Lollobridgida Sophia Loren Fellini Godard Jean Paul Belmondo Jean Gabin Lino Ventura Mastroianni Chaplin Hitchckock For the Gobal Sports list I add Pele. Edited October 31, 2014 by uli Quote
catesta Posted October 31, 2014 Report Posted October 31, 2014 I think Clint Eastwood would be up there. What about James Dean and Hendrix? Quote
duaneiac Posted October 31, 2014 Report Posted October 31, 2014 (edited) Rose Marie Kaye Ballard Wally Cox Morey Amsterdam Jan Murray Buddy Hackett Marty Allen Charlie Weaver Paul Lynde Charo I'll take Jan Murray to block. FILM: Charlie Chaplin Fred Astaire Humphrey Bogart Elizabeth Taylor Marilyn Monroe Cary Grant Gary Cooper Audrey Hepburn John Wayne Alfred Hitchcock Any film list should begin with Mickey Mouse, or at least his creator, Walt Disney. whose cultural impact worldwide is incalculable. I bet you there is an ISIS member somewhere in the world today wearing a Mickey Mouse watch. Edited October 31, 2014 by duaneiac Quote
Milestones Posted October 31, 2014 Author Report Posted October 31, 2014 "I bet you there is an ISIS member somewhere in the world today wearing a Mickey Mouse watch." Point well taken.I think I would want Jimmy Stewart on my list too. Quote
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