Milestones Posted October 28, 2014 Report Posted October 28, 2014 Let's hear it from the fans of baritone. The bari is the most under-used of all the major saxophones. In the early days you had Harry Carney. Then in the post-war period there was the emergence of Gerry Mulligan, Cecil Payne, and Pepper Adams. These are literally the only ones that have anything like a decent representation in my collection. Of course, there are some others--Ronnie Cuber, Hamiet Bluiet. Even in mid-size groups and big bands, the baritone is mainly just part of the ensemble sound. So how about some recommendations, some places to really hear some good bari work. Quote
Head Man Posted October 28, 2014 Report Posted October 28, 2014 Anything by John Surman........ Start with..... Quote
BillF Posted October 28, 2014 Report Posted October 28, 2014 You've gotta mention Serge Chaloff - and of today's people, Gary Smulyan. Quote
king ubu Posted October 28, 2014 Report Posted October 28, 2014 Sahib Shihab as well, as far as classic bop era players go. There were others of course ... for section playing, I still think Carney smokes everybody's ass (and Pepper Adams took care of the rest). Leo Parker comes to mind, too - check out his recordings for Blue Note and the ones with Illinois Jacquet (not just the Uptown, but that one as well!) As for Chaloff, this one here might well be my one favourite baritone saxophone album: some fine Bluiett here: Quote
Joe Posted October 28, 2014 Report Posted October 28, 2014 Nick Brignola! Charles Davis records almost exclusively on tenor these days, but my favorite work by him is on the big horn. Best places t hear him, IMO, are on Kenny Dorham's JAZZ CONTEMPORARY and Steve Lacy's Candid date (THE STRAIGHT HORN OF). Claire Daly is a fine baritone player who can be heard on a couple of her own leader dates as well as records by Joe Forrester / People Like Us. In terms of sheer authoritative sound, there's Leroy "Hog" Cooper, the baritone player in those famous Ray Charles bands. Probably heard to best effect on early recordings by Fathead Newman, Hank Crawford, and that lone Buster Smith record on Atlantic. Quote
jazzbo Posted October 28, 2014 Report Posted October 28, 2014 (edited) Two words: Ernie Caceres. Two additional words: Chicago style. Edited October 28, 2014 by jazzbo Quote
Milestones Posted October 28, 2014 Author Report Posted October 28, 2014 I do have some work by John Surman, as well as some others mentioned. I never heard of Ernie Caceres and some others. I am looking for particular "pieces" on which the baritone shines. Quote
jazzbo Posted October 28, 2014 Report Posted October 28, 2014 Here are some Caceres examples; https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLQlPRFRPhkJIOzzO-AY4qu_BsP4UhHh3e Quote
The Magnificent Goldberg Posted October 28, 2014 Report Posted October 28, 2014 I know you've mentioned Ronnie but I particularly like this one of his The scene is clean - Milestone Mainly Latin and Ronnie is all over the horn, but not letting you notice, if you see what I mean. Got this one recently and it's very nice Alex Harding & Blutopia - The calling - Jazzaway Moacir Santos is another guy I like a lot - but he sings, too, and that might put you off. I love his voice as well as his playing. Finally, the only track he did on baritone, but blooming wonderful! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQ3_2VBQlFM MG Quote
Steve Reynolds Posted October 28, 2014 Report Posted October 28, 2014 Josh Sinton (Ideal Bread) Just starting to listen to this guy. Am I hearing things or does he do the most apt yet incredible circular breathing on the beast during "Flakes" on volume two of the Ideal Bread Lacy music recordings? As of yet, this is my only exposure to Sinton, but I will be sure to get to one of his upcoming gigs with Ideal Bread or with his trio. I've rarely been more impressed on a first listen to a current or recent saxophonist than I have by listening to this CD. This guy plays in, out and with the full range of the baritone with a flexibility and technique that is rare on the big horn. Quote
sgcim Posted October 28, 2014 Report Posted October 28, 2014 WKCR played the entire "Introducing The Jimmy Cleveland All-Stars" LP last night, and there was some really enjoyable , relaxed work by everyone involved, especially JC, Lucky Thompson, and bari player Cecil Payne. Quote
Head Man Posted October 28, 2014 Report Posted October 28, 2014 Ronnie Ross.......... Charles Tyler. Quote
Big Beat Steve Posted October 28, 2014 Report Posted October 28, 2014 (edited) Why hasn't anybody named LARS GULLIN yet?? Re- Serge Chaloff, do NOT overlook his "Boston Blow-Up" LP! Re- Sahib Shihab, no matter what some may think of that label, the 2-CD set "Complete Sextet Sessions 1956-1957" on Fresh Sound is a fine roundup of his work from that period IMHO. And then there were his Danish sessions with Brew Moore, etc. And another plug for Ernie Caceres and Leo Parker. Edited October 28, 2014 by Big Beat Steve Quote
Leeway Posted October 28, 2014 Report Posted October 28, 2014 Ken Vandermark-- Ken plays the hell out of the bari. Saw him playing the bari at a club and can attest to the power he brings to it. Plus he makes it groove too. Quote
mjazzg Posted October 28, 2014 Report Posted October 28, 2014 Mats Gustafsson on Tarfala trio's Syzygy. Also on Sonore albums and the Brotzmann Tentet Quote
Steve Reynolds Posted October 28, 2014 Report Posted October 28, 2014 Tarfala!!! The performance on the Mad Dogs box set is worth about half the cost of the 5 CD box. The first Tarfala CD is worth double it's cost Seriously Quote
BillF Posted October 28, 2014 Report Posted October 28, 2014 Did we get this far without Lars Gullin being mentioned? Quote
jazzbo Posted October 28, 2014 Report Posted October 28, 2014 (edited) No, we got as far as post 15. Which is a major oversight. I have at least half if not more of what Gullin recorded, he was a master. Staying continental, Barney Wilen played a beautiful baritone. My favorite solos of his on that instrument are on the New York Romance and Talisman releases. Edited October 28, 2014 by jazzbo Quote
BillF Posted October 28, 2014 Report Posted October 28, 2014 (edited) To turn to today, I often hear this pair and will do so again on 27th January: Here's their album: Edited October 28, 2014 by BillF Quote
JSngry Posted October 28, 2014 Report Posted October 28, 2014 Hello Ronnie Cuber with Hamp in 1965, neither distrust in nor misunderstanding of the mission at hand: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x15164_flying-home-hampton-lionel-1965_music And I thought I had heard bari until hearing Hog with Buster Smith. Quote
Leeway Posted October 28, 2014 Report Posted October 28, 2014 Mats Gustafsson on Tarfala trio's Syzygy. Also on Sonore albums and the Brotzmann Tentet Was going to mention Mats, but didn't have time earlier, glad you did. Another ferocious player on the bari. Quote
Steve Reynolds Posted October 28, 2014 Report Posted October 28, 2014 Mats Gustafsson was mentioned *after* Lars Gullin and none of us are upset Quote
Joe Posted October 28, 2014 Report Posted October 28, 2014 (edited) Ernie Caceres + Sidney Bechet = heaven. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cwDDFygY4Q The aforementioned Smith / Cooper "joint." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rs-uRrhyW2A Edited October 28, 2014 by Joe Quote
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