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to me her playing has the same deficits Dave Brubeck's piano playing has - it's like she never gets to the center of whatever idea she is implying; like, as I once said about ol' Dave, someone who keeps shuffling the cards but never gets around to playing the game. And a lot seem like recycled ideas, as in that clip above. Some nice writing (yes again like Dave), as at 33:40+, and Tim Berne is one of my favorites; but she, sincere as she is, just never does anything as an improviser. And I get tired of waiting.

....wait.....she wakes up a bit at about 38:00; seems to be channeling some Warne Marsh, which is a good thing, I like her sound there and now I am happy...I like 41:33; but she seems to have trouble sustaining her ideas....I don't know....frustrating music. Nice unison at 42:34.

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to me her playing has the same deficits Dave Brubeck's piano playing has - it's like she never gets to the center of whatever idea she is implying; like, as I once said about ol' Dave, someone who keeps shuffling the cards but never gets around to playing the game. And a lot seem like recycled ideas, as in that clip above. Some nice writing (yes again like Dave), as at 33:40+, and Tim Berne is one of my favorites; but she, sincere as she is, just never does anything as an improviser. And I get tired of waiting.

....wait.....she wakes up a bit at about 38:00; seems to be channeling some Warne Marsh, which is a good thing, I like her sound there and now I am happy...I like 41:33; but she seems to have trouble sustaining her ideas....I don't know....frustrating music. Nice unison at 42:34.

I'm going to listen/watch later

I'm going to try to see this quintet next time they play as I love Peck/Gerstein and Rainey is always interesting on drums.

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Laubrock and Rainey are teaming up with Ab Baars and Ig Hennemann for a European tour. The group concept has really stoked my interest. With luck a CD might come out of these performances.

Perch,Hen,Brock & Rain european tour November 2014

Perch, Hen, Brock & Rain with Ab Baars (cl,ts,shakuhachi), Ig Henneman (viola), Ingrid Laubrock (ts), Tom Rainey (d) (* are IL/TR duo concerts

11/02 Tampere Jazz Happening (FI)
11/04 Lokal Harmonie, Harmoniestr. 41, Rurhort, 47119 Duisburg, (DE)
11/05 Arnhem (NL), venue tba
11/06 Tivoli/Vredenburg,Vredenburgkade 11,3511 WC Utrecht, (NL)
11/07 Bimhuis,Piet Heinkade 3, Amsterdam (NL)
11/09 Music Unlimited Festival, Alter Schlachthof, Dragonerstraße 22, 4600 Wels (A)
11/10 A38 Ship, Petőfi bridge, Buda side, Budapest (HU)
11/11 Blue Tomato, Wurmsergasse 21, 1150 Vienna (A)
11/12 Alchemia, Estery 5, 31-000 Krakow, (PL)
11/13 Unijazz, Jindřišská 5,110 00,Prague
11/14 Aufsturz, Oranienburger Str. 67, Berlin (DE)
11/16 Loft, Wissmannstr. 30, 50823 Köln (DE) * (Ingrid Laubrock/Tom Rainey Duo)
11/17 Galerie A4, Angerzellgasse 4, 6020 Innsbruck (A) * (Ingrid Laubrock/Tom Rainey Duo)
11/19 Women In Motion Festival, Stockwerk, Jakominiplatz 18, 8010 Graz (A)
Posted

Laubrock and Rainey are teaming up with Ab Baars and Ig Hennemann for a European tour. The group concept has really stoked my interest. With luck a CD might come out of these performances.

Perch,Hen,Brock & Rain european tour November 2014

Perch, Hen, Brock & Rain with Ab Baars (cl,ts,shakuhachi), Ig Henneman (viola), Ingrid Laubrock (ts), Tom Rainey (d) (* are IL/TR duo concerts

11/02 Tampere Jazz Happening (FI)

11/04 Lokal Harmonie, Harmoniestr. 41, Rurhort, 47119 Duisburg, (DE)

11/05 Arnhem (NL), venue tba

11/06 Tivoli/Vredenburg,Vredenburgkade 11,3511 WC Utrecht, (NL)

11/07 Bimhuis,Piet Heinkade 3, Amsterdam (NL)

11/09 Music Unlimited Festival, Alter Schlachthof, Dragonerstraße 22, 4600 Wels (A)

11/10 A38 Ship, Petőfi bridge, Buda side, Budapest (HU)

11/11 Blue Tomato, Wurmsergasse 21, 1150 Vienna (A)

11/12 Alchemia, Estery 5, 31-000 Krakow, (PL)

11/13 Unijazz, Jindřišská 5,110 00,Prague

11/14 Aufsturz, Oranienburger Str. 67, Berlin (DE)

11/16 Loft, Wissmannstr. 30, 50823 Köln (DE) * (Ingrid Laubrock/Tom Rainey Duo)

11/17 Galerie A4, Angerzellgasse 4, 6020 Innsbruck (A) * (Ingrid Laubrock/Tom Rainey Duo)

11/19 Women In Motion Festival, Stockwerk, Jakominiplatz 18, 8010 Graz (A)

Nothing in the UK?... that's a shame.

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Laubrock and Rainey are teaming up with Ab Baars and Ig Hennemann for a European tour. The group concept has really stoked my interest. With luck a CD might come out of these performances.

Perch,Hen,Brock & Rain european tour November 2014

Perch, Hen, Brock & Rain with Ab Baars (cl,ts,shakuhachi), Ig Henneman (viola), Ingrid Laubrock (ts), Tom Rainey (d) (* are IL/TR duo concerts11/02 Tampere Jazz Happening (FI)

11/04 Lokal Harmonie, Harmoniestr. 41, Rurhort, 47119 Duisburg, (DE)

11/05 Arnhem (NL), venue tba

11/06 Tivoli/Vredenburg,Vredenburgkade 11,3511 WC Utrecht, (NL)

11/07 Bimhuis,Piet Heinkade 3, Amsterdam (NL)

11/09 Music Unlimited Festival, Alter Schlachthof, Dragonerstraße 22, 4600 Wels (A)

11/10 A38 Ship, Petőfi bridge, Buda side, Budapest (HU)

11/11 Blue Tomato, Wurmsergasse 21, 1150 Vienna (A)

11/12 Alchemia, Estery 5, 31-000 Krakow, (PL)

11/13 Unijazz, Jindřiská 5,110 00,Prague

11/14 Aufsturz, Oranienburger Str. 67, Berlin (DE)

11/16 Loft, Wissmannstr. 30, 50823 Köln (DE) * (Ingrid Laubrock/Tom Rainey Duo)

11/17 Galerie A4, Angerzellgasse 4, 6020 Innsbruck (A) * (Ingrid Laubrock/Tom Rainey Duo)

11/19 Women In Motion Festival, Stockwerk, Jakominiplatz 18, 8010 Graz (A)

Nothing in the UK?... that's a shame.

Ryanair to the rescue...?

Posted (edited)

Laubrock and Rainey are teaming up with Ab Baars and Ig Hennemann for a European tour. The group concept has really stoked my interest. With luck a CD might come out of these performances.

Perch,Hen,Brock & Rain european tour November 2014

Perch, Hen, Brock & Rain with Ab Baars (cl,ts,shakuhachi), Ig Henneman (viola), Ingrid Laubrock (ts), Tom Rainey (d) (* are IL/TR duo concerts11/02 Tampere Jazz Happening (FI)

11/04 Lokal Harmonie, Harmoniestr. 41, Rurhort, 47119 Duisburg, (DE)

11/05 Arnhem (NL), venue tba

11/06 Tivoli/Vredenburg,Vredenburgkade 11,3511 WC Utrecht, (NL)

11/07 Bimhuis,Piet Heinkade 3, Amsterdam (NL)

11/09 Music Unlimited Festival, Alter Schlachthof, Dragonerstraße 22, 4600 Wels (A)

11/10 A38 Ship, Petőfi bridge, Buda side, Budapest (HU)

11/11 Blue Tomato, Wurmsergasse 21, 1150 Vienna (A)

11/12 Alchemia, Estery 5, 31-000 Krakow, (PL)

11/13 Unijazz, Jindřiská 5,110 00,Prague

11/14 Aufsturz, Oranienburger Str. 67, Berlin (DE)

11/16 Loft, Wissmannstr. 30, 50823 Köln (DE) * (Ingrid Laubrock/Tom Rainey Duo)

11/17 Galerie A4, Angerzellgasse 4, 6020 Innsbruck (A) * (Ingrid Laubrock/Tom Rainey Duo)

11/19 Women In Motion Festival, Stockwerk, Jakominiplatz 18, 8010 Graz (A)

Nothing in the UK?... that's a shame.

Ryanair to the rescue...?

Ryanair?.......Where I live, even the bus only comes twice a day............

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this is one of those groups I keep trying to like; too many people seem to like them for there to be so little there there, so I listen...and listen...

to me it's a failure of form and composition. Good players, bad ideas.

very bloodless.

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Like Rodney Dangerfield, it seems as if Paradoxical Frog gets no respect. I do like this group quite a bit, maybe because it was in this ensemble that I first saw Laubrock, really dug her playing, and so perhaps spread my positive reaction to the group. However, I've been listening to the group over the last 5 years or so, live and on record, and I'm always entertained and even edified by their playing. One of the things I like about them is that each of the musicians has been growing and developing individually, as well as collectively. I like seeing that growth sort of take place right before my eyes (and ears).

Having said that, I would now have to say that PF is my second favorite Laubrock ensemble, behind Laubrock-Rainey Duo. Incredible communication and a steady flow of interesting musical ideas. It's great to watch them in concert. I do like Anti-House, it's a heavyweight group. Still have yet to see Sleepthief but I like the discs.

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I just thought I'd mention that at a recent Paradoxical Frog concert at Greenwich House in NYC, they doubled the pianos. That is, Kris Davis played her piano, while Tyshawn Sorey had his drum kit snuggled up near his own piano and played piano and drums alternately. Laubrock played saxes of course. I think this group has a lot of surprises left in it.

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I think people underestimate just how much her playing is invested in small gestures, which is something I like about it. I think a lot of people sort of cram her into a more extroverted box than she belongs in. I'd love to hear a recording of the trio with Tom Rainey and Dan Peck:

xybert, maybe you'll be put off by Paradoxical Frog, maybe not. This is my favorite context to hear her in, but the Anti-House albums are awesome, too.

looks like an alto to me...

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I think people underestimate just how much her playing is invested in small gestures, which is something I like about it. I think a lot of people sort of cram her into a more extroverted box than she belongs in. I'd love to hear a recording of the trio with Tom Rainey and Dan Peck:

xybert, maybe you'll be put off by Paradoxical Frog, maybe not. This is my favorite context to hear her in, but the Anti-House albums are awesome, too.

looks like an alto to me...

I don' t think it is.

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she switches to alto. On which I like her much better.

these guys can play; they just need some shape.

to me it evokes the old Martin Williams complaint of a soloist who "plays at playing a solo," rather than actually playing one. But I have to acknowledge that I am taking a real minority position here.

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