chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez Posted October 2, 2014 Report Posted October 2, 2014 saw this on ebay... never seen this before Quote
Big Beat Steve Posted October 2, 2014 Report Posted October 2, 2014 Is it a fake? Isn't it a duplication of names from a time when exclusivity and copyright were not really enforced? After all, how many labels with identical names were there that existed simultaneuosly at various parts of the country? Particularly small labels with such utterly nondescript label artwork as this? Quite a few. Quote
king ubu Posted October 2, 2014 Report Posted October 2, 2014 a blue note is a blue note is a blue note is a ... Quote
Big Beat Steve Posted October 2, 2014 Report Posted October 2, 2014 a blue note is a blue note is a blue note is a ... "We don't flat our fifths, we drink'em!" Quote
JSngry Posted October 2, 2014 Report Posted October 2, 2014 No, that's a fake. That's a counterfeit of the BN 45 label. The catalog # 101 & signed sleeve suggests that it was, hopefully, just a vanity pressing made up to be sold or even given away as a wink-wink-lol-if-only type of thing. At least one would hope so. "Singingly yours"....eeeeEEEEEEWWWWWWWWW!!!!! Yeah, good luck, Mallory, for real. You've been genuinely Touched By Creepiness! Quote
Kevin Bresnahan Posted October 2, 2014 Report Posted October 2, 2014 The flipside - oh man... gack, gack: http://wanted-records.com/blogs/daily-discovery/10681085-do-not-disturb-by-don-snyder-jazz-vocals-45 Quote
king ubu Posted October 2, 2014 Report Posted October 2, 2014 What's the counterfeit of a blue note? Going from colour theory, it would probably be a yellow note, right? Quote
clifford_thornton Posted October 3, 2014 Report Posted October 3, 2014 BN 101 was apparently a John Hardee 78. Oh well, nice try! Quote
Big Beat Steve Posted October 3, 2014 Report Posted October 3, 2014 (edited) Understandable that the BN diehards are touchy about someone possibly messing with their holy grail, but what would be so "fake-ish" about this particular record? The few BN 45s that I've got look totally different - like this: And so do those you find in online listings. Wouldn't "counterfeit" imply something that imitates the original much more closely? Somebody may have been playing around with that name, but using such an uninspired label design that you had zillions of in the 50s/60s? This is not some kind of not even superficial "similarity" likely to fool too many fans of the "known" BN, IMHO. Anyway, there have been lots of cases where several small 45rpm labels had the same name so who knows what's behind all this for real?. Edited October 3, 2014 by Big Beat Steve Quote
clifford_thornton Posted October 3, 2014 Report Posted October 3, 2014 I agree - not counterfeit, just some weird vanity label cashing in on name recognition. The dude appears to have signed every copy of that damn 45, too! Quote
JSngry Posted October 3, 2014 Report Posted October 3, 2014 Yes, "counterfeit" = oversimplification on my part. "Knowing approximation for the purpose of appropriation" would be it. Quote
chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez Posted October 17, 2014 Author Report Posted October 17, 2014 i mean they just had their labels printed like that, they printed the labels that way, its kind of funny. ill put this right next to those blue note "Climax" issues they did in the 78rpm days.... Quote
Big Beat Steve Posted October 17, 2014 Report Posted October 17, 2014 (edited) AFAIK those Climax 78s were no bootlegs but some kind of overseas licensing deal. And at least the Climax labels reproduced the BN layout a bit more faithfully so everybody knew what they were supposed to remind you of. Previously discussed here: Whereas this "Blue Note" 45 has nothing in common with the actual BN but the name. Their label design and use of fonts, etc. (you CANNOT call this "artwork") is about as nondescript as those 45 labels got in that period. There must have been millions like that. One as bland as the other. Edited October 17, 2014 by Big Beat Steve Quote
Daniel A Posted October 17, 2014 Report Posted October 17, 2014 Which leads to the question: why didn't the real Blue Note use a more individual design for their 45 labels? Because nobody could see them inside the jukebox? But a lot of 45s must have been sold for "normal" use as well. Quote
Big Beat Steve Posted October 17, 2014 Report Posted October 17, 2014 Considering the state of the (non-)"art" of the 45s in the 50s and early 60s, they weren't doing that badly with that special font of the label name IMO. To put it more bluntly, label design and "artwork" or 45s was largely in a "dark age" in the 50s and early 60s, at least compared to the 78 rpm era and the 45 rpm era starting from the mid- to late 60s. , some notable exceptions such as Roulette or Chess notwithstanding. Quote
clifford_thornton Posted October 17, 2014 Report Posted October 17, 2014 There are a lot of really sick looking soul and funk 45 labels, actually, but all of them are indie or custom jobs. That's not really my world but I have definitely encountered enough to make it seem like 45 label design wasn't in as fallow a period as this discussion would make it seem. Quote
Big Beat Steve Posted October 17, 2014 Report Posted October 17, 2014 I wouldn't contradict you - I was just referring to the 45s of the 50s and early 60s when quite a huge percentage (mostly indie labels, true ...) looked rather uninspired and like hack jobs. Quote
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