Scott Dolan Posted October 2, 2014 Report Posted October 2, 2014 these were all live recordings. his bcl solo on 'springtime' is one of my favorites. No, they weren't. Even Last Date was a studio recording with in-house applause. But, Naima and Unrealized Tapes were both studio sessions. Quote
David Ayers Posted October 2, 2014 Report Posted October 2, 2014 (edited) To refer again to my Adorno/classical paradigm, I'd be interested to hear if there are examples of very late innovations, rather than just great last records. Coltrane is the very obvious example of an artist who died while in full flow of innovation and invention. I'm trying to think of others. Edited October 2, 2014 by David Ayers Quote
jeffcrom Posted October 2, 2014 Report Posted October 2, 2014 Okay, I'm cheating a little bit on this one. Miles Davis' July 10, 1991 Paris concert was his next-to-last recorded appearance, not his last; a concert from six days later was included in the Montreux boxset. But that July 10 concert, which has been bootlegged under the title Black Devil, is kind of remarkable. The Man Who Never Looked Back, well, looked back. About half the tunes are by his then-current funk/fusion band, but the other tunes feature guests from his past: Jackie McLean, Wayne Shorter, Steve Grossman, Dave Holland, Herbie Hancock, Chick Corea, Joe Zawinul, John McLaughlin, Al Foster. He does "Out of the Blue," "Dig," "All Blues," "Footprints," "In a Silent Way," and "It's About That Time." (Okay, he doesn't solo on "Dig.") Not everything is great, but there's something very moving about hearing Miles blow over changes in 1991. My favorite track is "Footprints" - Miles, Shorter, Corea, Holland, and Foster; Miles plays a wonderful, short, three-chorus solo. recorded miles shows after montreux '91 July 8, 1991 Casino, Montreux, Switzerland July 10, 1991 La Grande Halle, Villette, Paris, France July 14, 1991 Statenhal, Congressgebouw, Den Haag, The Netherlands July 16, 1991 Jardin des Arenes de Cimiez, Nice, France July 17, 1991 Jardin des Arenes de Cimiez, Nice, France July 19, 1991 Royal Festival Hall, London, UK July 21, 1991 Chapiteau, Andernos, France July 23, 1991 Stadio Olimpico, Rom, Italy July 24, 1991 Piazza del Giorgione, Castelfranco Veneto, Italy July 26, 1991 Wiltz Theatre, Chateau de Wiltz, Wiltz, Luxembourg July 27, 1991 Uno City, Wien, Austria August 22, 1991 Arvey Field, Chicago, USA August 24, 1991 Concord Pavilion, Concord, USA August 25, 1991 Hollywood Bowl, Los Angeles, USAhttp://www.kind-of-blue.de/seiten/sessions/1991.htm i'll try to check this paris concert out. i'd like to see All Blues and It's About That Time. So I cheated a lot. My point was that concert has a surprising, valedictory quality to it, as if Miles knew it was his last chance to play those old tunes with those old colleagues. Quote
jeffcrom Posted October 2, 2014 Report Posted October 2, 2014 Okay, this one is not cheating, like my Miles post was. New Orleans clarinetist Willie Humphrey, who was born in 1900, is one of my favorite musicians - he played a traditional style with a modernist imagination, if that makes any sense. His last album was with the Maryland Jazz Band, a very good German trad group. Yeah, Willie's playing is that of a 91-year-old: tone and pitch are sometimes querulous, and his fingers don't respond as well as they did when he was younger. But he plays like a passionate, imaginative 91-year-old, and this album, like practically everything Willie recorded, is well worth hearing. I heard Willie three times in person. The last time was in April, 1994, at Preservation Hall, three months before his death. He was still the most powerful player in the band. And a digression: I once sat next to "Doggy" Hund, the leader of the Maryland Jazz Band, in the late, lamented Donna's on North Rampart Street, listening to Evan Christopher and Tom McDermott. When he introduced himself (with a German accent) as "Doggy," I asked "Doggy Hund?" He seemed very surprised and pleased to meet an American fan. Quote
paul secor Posted October 2, 2014 Report Posted October 2, 2014 (edited) Turned out that it probably wasn't the last, but still some very good music. Edited October 2, 2014 by paul secor Quote
l p Posted October 2, 2014 Report Posted October 2, 2014 (edited) these were all live recordings. his bcl solo on 'springtime' is one of my favorites. No, they weren't. Even Last Date was a studio recording with in-house applause. But, Naima and Unrealized Tapes were both studio sessions. Naima and Unrealized Tapes is the same session, recorded in a radio studio. none of the below four dates were for a proper studio album. http://adale.org/Discographies/LateED.html last 4 dolphy dates after the mingus tour: RTF, Paris, France, 28 May 1964 "S&T list this as a radio broadcast" New Sound Club, Poort van Kleef, Eindhoven, Netherlands, 1 June 1964 V.A.R.A. studio 5, Hilversum, Netherlands, 2 June 1964 "This is sort of a studio recording made for radio broadcast" issued as Last Date Unknown radio studio, Paris, 11 June 1964 Edited October 2, 2014 by l p Quote
l p Posted October 2, 2014 Report Posted October 2, 2014 (edited) from another discographyhttp://internet.cybermesa.com/~quemazon/DOLPHY.DSC.txt Eric Dolphy Quartet: "Last Date" 64-0602 Hilversum, Netherlands, 2 June, 1964 "This is a studio recording with an audience of company employees used to make the session sound like a live concert date." so, would that be a live recording or a studio recording. kirk recorded 'here comes the whistleman' under basically the same conditions (but with more guests), and i consider it a live recording. they don't stop in the middle of takes, almost never do multiple takes. no inserts. no engineer calling out takes. no producer. a radio station is not a proper studio. all those rock bbc recordings - i've always consider them live. Edited October 2, 2014 by l p Quote
Joe Posted October 2, 2014 Report Posted October 2, 2014 Turned out that it probably wasn't the last, but still some very good music. I guess the actual date of these recordings has never been definitely established? Clifford Brown - Max Roach Quintet Clifford Brown (trumpet) Sonny Stitt (alto saxophone -8) Sonny Rollins (tenor saxophone) probably Richie Powell (piano) probably George Morrow (bass) Max Roach (drums) Bob Story (announcer) WIOR radio broadcast, "Continental Restaurant", Norfolk, VA, June 18, 1956 1. Just One Of Those Things Philology (It) W 1008.2 2. You Go To My Head - 3. Good Bait - 4. One For My Baby Philology (It) W 1009.2 5. Someone To Watch Over Me - 6. What's New - 7. These Foolish Things - 8. I Get A Kick Out Of You - * Philology (It) W 1008.2 Clifford Brown - Brownie's Eyes, Vol. 7 * Philology (It) W 1009.2 Clifford Brown - Brownie's Eyes, Vol. 8 Clifford Brown Sextet Clifford Brown (trumpet) Billy Root (tenor saxophone -1,3) Mel "Ziggy" Vines (tenor saxophone -3) Sam Dockery (piano) Ace Tisone (bass) Ellis Tollin (drums) "Music City Club", Philadelphia, PA, June 25, 1956 or May 31, 1955 1. A Night In Tunisia Columbia KC 32284 2. Donna Lee - 3. Walkin' - * Columbia KC 32284 Clifford Brown - The Beginning And The End http://www.jazzdisco.org/clifford-brown/discography/ Quote
paul secor Posted October 2, 2014 Report Posted October 2, 2014 Turned out that it probably wasn't the last, but still some very good music. I guess the actual date of these recordings has never been definitely established? Clifford Brown - Max Roach Quintet Clifford Brown (trumpet) Sonny Stitt (alto saxophone -8) Sonny Rollins (tenor saxophone) probably Richie Powell (piano) probably George Morrow (bass) Max Roach (drums) Bob Story (announcer) WIOR radio broadcast, "Continental Restaurant", Norfolk, VA, June 18, 1956 1. Just One Of Those Things Philology (It) W 1008.2 2. You Go To My Head - 3. Good Bait - 4. One For My Baby Philology (It) W 1009.2 5. Someone To Watch Over Me - 6. What's New - 7. These Foolish Things - 8. I Get A Kick Out Of You - * Philology (It) W 1008.2 Clifford Brown - Brownie's Eyes, Vol. 7 * Philology (It) W 1009.2 Clifford Brown - Brownie's Eyes, Vol. 8 Clifford Brown Sextet Clifford Brown (trumpet) Billy Root (tenor saxophone -1,3) Mel "Ziggy" Vines (tenor saxophone -3) Sam Dockery (piano) Ace Tisone (bass) Ellis Tollin (drums) "Music City Club", Philadelphia, PA, June 25, 1956 or May 31, 1955 1. A Night In Tunisia Columbia KC 32284 2. Donna Lee - 3. Walkin' - * Columbia KC 32284 Clifford Brown - The Beginning And The End http://www.jazzdisco.org/clifford-brown/discography/ I don't know if it's definite, but there was an interview with Billy Root in Cadence in which he said that the session was actually about a year before the date listen on the LP. Quote
Scott Dolan Posted October 2, 2014 Report Posted October 2, 2014 (edited) these were all live recordings. his bcl solo on 'springtime' is one of my favorites. No, they weren't. Even Last Date was a studio recording with in-house applause. But, Naima and Unrealized Tapes were both studio sessions. Naima and Unrealized Tapes is the same session, recorded in a radio studio. Right. Not a "live" date. What part of "studio" isn't clicking? Edited October 2, 2014 by Scott Dolan Quote
l p Posted October 3, 2014 Report Posted October 3, 2014 (edited) these were all live recordings. his bcl solo on 'springtime' is one of my favorites. No, they weren't. Even Last Date was a studio recording with in-house applause. But, Naima and Unrealized Tapes were both studio sessions. Naima and Unrealized Tapes is the same session, recorded in a radio studio. Right. Not a "live" date. What part of "studio" isn't clicking? try reading my replies in posts #58 and #59 again, maybe this time you will see the fault in your logic, but i doubt it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Here_Comes_the_Whistleman "Here Comes the Whistleman is a live album by jazz multi-instrumentalist Roland Kirk recorded in March 1965 at Atlantic Studios in New York" Edited October 3, 2014 by l p Quote
Scott Dolan Posted October 3, 2014 Report Posted October 3, 2014 You clearly stated that you see it as a live date. That really doesn't matter to me. It isn't. Speaking of faulty logic, were the studio sessions The Beatles recorded "live dates" because Yoko was sitting in the studio with them? How absurd. Quote
His Boy Elroy Posted October 23, 2014 Report Posted October 23, 2014 'Pretty sure this was Frank Wess's last release. A beautiful album . . . Quote
Buddha the Magnificent Posted October 23, 2014 Report Posted October 23, 2014 Florencia González Big Band - Woman Dreaming of Escape (2012, Self Published). Simply wonderful compositions played by a superb ensemble. Link to review on Latin Jazz Net http://latinjazznet.com/2013/06/16/features/album-of-the-week/florencia-gonzalez-big-band-woman-dreaming-of-escape/ Quote
mjzee Posted April 4, 2020 Report Posted April 4, 2020 Listening now to this: I never heard the original 2-CD set, but I can't imagine anything more wonderful than this - hearing each show complete. Â Truly wonderful music. Â The liner notes talk about Stan's shortness of breath during the shows, and how the last set needed to be cancelled. Quote
medjuck Posted April 4, 2020 Report Posted April 4, 2020 On 9/20/2014 at 1:33 AM, JSngry said:  That concert was on TV at least once. I saw it and maybe video-taped it. Maybe not, though.  But yeah, it's weird on several levels. Why it's not seen a legit commercial release is beyond me, must be some legality quirks underfoot or some such. I've always presumed it was because of the number of artists from different labels who were involved.  Quote
JSngry Posted April 4, 2020 Report Posted April 4, 2020 I'm wanting to say that I saw it on Bravo, when I saw it. The old Bravo, when it was commercially-uninterrupted. Quote
medjuck Posted April 4, 2020 Report Posted April 4, 2020 43 minutes ago, JSngry said: I'm wanting to say that I saw it on Bravo, when I saw it. The old Bravo, when it was commercially-uninterrupted. I think that's where I taped it. (Then years later transferred onto DVD even though the tape looked like crap.)Â Quote
bertrand Posted April 5, 2020 Report Posted April 5, 2020 On 9/20/2014 at 5:39 AM, sidewinder said: Harold Land's 'A Lazy Afternoon' is one that comes to mind. Some beautiful playing on that one. Wasn't Promised Land after? Quote
BFrank Posted April 5, 2020 Report Posted April 5, 2020 Not his best, but certainly worth getting Quote
sidewinder Posted April 5, 2020 Report Posted April 5, 2020 2 hours ago, bertrand said: Wasn't Promised Land after? Â Never even heard of that one but looks like that is correct. Quote
bertrand Posted April 5, 2020 Report Posted April 5, 2020 6 hours ago, sidewinder said: Â Never even heard of that one but looks like that is correct. It was a whopping 6 years after, Land was coming back from a hiatus. Quote
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