Mike Schwartz Posted June 25, 2014 Report Posted June 25, 2014 Carla Bley(Willow, New York)—keyboardist, composer, arranger, bandleader George Coleman(Jersey City, New Jersey)—saxophonist, composer, educator Charles Lloyd (Santa Barbara, California)—saxophonist, flutist, composer Joe Segal* (Chicago, Illinois)—jazz presenter and club owner Quote
JSngry Posted June 25, 2014 Report Posted June 25, 2014 Yeah, no complaints or reservations here. Quote
Hot Ptah Posted June 25, 2014 Report Posted June 25, 2014 It seems like a very good and worthy group. Quote
AllenLowe Posted June 25, 2014 Report Posted June 25, 2014 Charles Lloyd does not deserve it. In my opinion, of course. Quote
Larry Kart Posted June 25, 2014 Report Posted June 25, 2014 Who does then? Ira Sullivan, for one Quote
Mike Schwartz Posted June 25, 2014 Author Report Posted June 25, 2014 It seems like a very good and worthy group. George Coleman was WAY overdue!! Quote
JSngry Posted June 25, 2014 Report Posted June 25, 2014 I signed the e-petition for George Coleman, why not? Is anybody doing similar lobbying for Ira Sullivan or Roscoe Mitchell? I'll sign those petitions too if/when they come my way. I don't think that things like these awards just happen all of sudden in a moment of collective clarity-based whimsy... Quote
jlhoots Posted June 26, 2014 Report Posted June 26, 2014 Didn't know there was an e-petition. How do you get on the list? Quote
JSngry Posted June 26, 2014 Report Posted June 26, 2014 Not sure, but it showed up in my email. I checked it out, saw it was legit, and that was that. Quote
chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez Posted June 26, 2014 Report Posted June 26, 2014 its like the rock hall, but for jazz- does george avakian dig lloyd? hes in! lol. were not talking of no rock hall till Yes gets in. were not talking of no nea jazzmaster award till they give a posthumous one to hank mobley Quote
Mike Schwartz Posted June 26, 2014 Author Report Posted June 26, 2014 (edited) its like the rock hall, but for jazz- does george avakian dig lloyd? hes in! lol. were not talking of no rock hall till Yes gets in. were not talking of no nea jazzmaster award till they give a posthumous one to hank mobley NEA Jazz masters [and other NEA receipients] are for the land of the living only. Dems is da rules Edited June 26, 2014 by Mike Schwartz Quote
AllenLowe Posted June 26, 2014 Report Posted June 26, 2014 to answer 7/4's question, all of the above; except Lloyd. Especially Ira Sullivan. Quote
Hot Ptah Posted June 26, 2014 Report Posted June 26, 2014 For me, Charles Lloyd's recordings from the past 20 years push him into the worthy side. Quote
AllenLowe Posted June 26, 2014 Report Posted June 26, 2014 (edited) I have no doubt he is a fine saxophonist; it's just that at the master level I feel it's gotta hit another dimension. I would even question George Coleman, as great as he is. Edited June 26, 2014 by AllenLowe Quote
Mark Stryker Posted June 26, 2014 Report Posted June 26, 2014 At the NEA Awards/Broadcast next year you could see a reunion of 3/4 of the Charles Lloyd Quartet circa '66/67 -- Lloyd, Jarrett, DeJohnette. Quote
JSngry Posted June 26, 2014 Report Posted June 26, 2014 People interested in the petition thing, here's a link from the "victory" email I received: https://www.change.org/p/george-coleman-for-national-endowment-for-the-arts-award-jazz-master-nea-jazz-master-award-for-george-coleman/u/53aae2c667bbe571f4003207?tk=lOEj0VwnI-8nfpg4BnxhrrBpNMlUacHGC6tGc9D5pqM&utm_source=petition_update&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=petition_update_email Quote
Larry Kart Posted June 26, 2014 Report Posted June 26, 2014 I'll have to do some research, but by the standards that arguably ought to prevail, I don't know how many prospective NEA Jazz Masters there are left. Roscoe and Threadgill to be sure. Would Kenny Barron be on the cusp? Billy Hart? De Johnette? A quick glance at the CDs on the walls gives me at least one name that might be worthy in some eyes and might get in down the road, Pat Martino, and a few names that it might be nice to see there, depending on one’s tastes, but probably will never get in: Lennie Niehaus, Don Friedman, John McNeill, Jack Sheldon, Ted Brown, Marcus Belgrave. Does Cuscana have one? He should. Chuck, too, but that won't happen. Heck, I’d pay good money to see Sheldon’s acceptance speech, which probably would end the NEA Jazz Masters Awards forever. In any case, time has and is taking quite a toll. And when the NEA gets around to say Christian McBride, I’m outta here. Quote
Larry Kart Posted June 26, 2014 Report Posted June 26, 2014 Also, here's a list that Justin V posted in 2013. You can cross off those who won since then, and I think that P. Bley doesn't qualify as a Canadian or D. Holland as a Brit.. Saxophone George Coleman Odeon Pope Billy Harper Joe McPhee Charles McPherson Sonny Simmons Trumpet Joe McPhee (again) Bobby Bradford Tom Harrell Trombone Julian Priester Piano Paul Bley Harold Mabern Richard Wyands Steve Kuhn Carla Bley Ran Blake Vibraphone Gary Burton Bass Cecil McBee Buster Williams Henry Grimes Rufus Reid Reggie Workman Bob Cranshaw Dave Holland Steve Swallow Drums Mickey Roker Billy Hart Donald Bailey Joe Chambers Barry Altschul Victor Lewis Quote
Steve Reynolds Posted June 26, 2014 Report Posted June 26, 2014 (edited) Add William Parker, Dave Burrell, Hamid Drake and Kidd Jordan to that list. Fun to do that as the quartet played on the 15th. A strong case can be made for all as well as the above, IMO. Also add Ray Anderson, Mark Dresser and Gerry Hemingway to the above lists. All extremely worthy of the award. Fwiw although I am not as large an aficionado of Mitchell and Threadgill as many others are - the reality that those two musicians have NOT been honored is beyond absurd. Edited June 26, 2014 by Steve Reynolds Quote
clifford_thornton Posted June 26, 2014 Report Posted June 26, 2014 I'm a little lukewarm on the idea of Simmons or Grimes but YMMV. Quote
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