I dare hardly say what this thread is about

[jlhoots]

Just read this thread for the first time and succumbed to the impulse to place an order at jazz messengers for:

NEW YORK CONTEMPORARY FIVE - CONSEQUENCES

TED CURSON - URGE

MARION BROWN - JUBA-LEE

NEW YORK ART QUARTET -MOHAWK

There is a reason I am can never dig myself out of the hole ...

Fellow wacko supports your purchase!

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[AndrewHill]

au contraire, there's another Curson that Black Lion didn't issue - Urge (w/ Ervin, Jimmy Woode and Edgar Bateman) - and it's a hell of a record.

Wish i had that one! t have tears for dolphy which I know is the Fontana date

[sidewinder]

Indeed! Has that one ever been on CD?

Yes, it came out as one of the Japanese Fontana reissues with Marte Roling artwork... I have a copy.

I've got a Japan Fontana LP with this sleeve art somewhere...

[David Ayers]

Urge is a piano less quartet with Booker Ervin. I have the Japanese Fontana LP. I'd say the LP is maybe findable but the CD no way. If you google it I'm certain you'll turn up a download...

[Head Man]

I found my copy in a long-gone record store in Manchester. I just wandered in there during a break in the conference I was attending and there it was..... serendipity. I also picked up copies of "New York Contemporary Five - Consequences" & "New York Art Quartet - Mohawk" at the same time.

I already owned vinyl copies of all three and was happy for a CD 'upgrade' (as I saw it at the time!)... I later sold the vinyl for not a particularly high price. Ah, if only I'd known then what I know now....

Edited October 12, 2014 by Head Man

[clifford_thornton]

Are any of the Dutch Fontanas super-expensive? I thought they topped out at around $100 (which is 'expensive' but not stratospheric). I have all of them and none were more than that.

[Homefromtheforest]

All my Fontanas in this series are the Japanese ones save for Brown's "Juba-lee" which is a mint dutch original. I think I got it for around $60 over 15 years ago...no idea what these go for now as I'm happy with my Japanese issues...

[JSngry]

As of now, jazzmessengers.com lists 6 titles in this purportedly Japanese series on the "Cool Music" label, whereas HMV Japan still lists just 4.

[clifford_thornton]

Curiously, those six were never issued by DA Music on CD before, whereas titles like Touching, Anatomy of a South African Village, and Nefertiti were.

[JSngry]

Also, the Urge cover I've seen looks like this:

Is this a UK issue?

[Chuck Nessa]

Also, the Urge cover I've seen looks like this:

Is this a UK issue?

Never had that one but all the "Jazz Life" Fontanas I have seen were manufactured by Philips in the Netherlands.

[David Ayers]

Only have the Japanese LP of Urge which has the Marte Roling cover.

[JSngry]

Also, the Urge cover I've seen looks like this:

Is this a UK issue?

Never had that one but all the "Jazz Life" Fontanas I have seen were manufactured by Philips in the Netherlands.

Post-Rolling-cover, I'd guess?

Curiously, those six were never issued by DA Music on CD before, whereas titles like Touching, Anatomy of a South African Village, and Nefertiti were.

Alan Bates/Debut Records comes into this at some point, I'd have to think.

Had not seen this one before:

[Chuck Nessa]

Bates was the originator of all this stuff.

[JSngry]

All of it? JCOA, NYAQ, none of that was initially self-produced? Was not aware of that.

[clifford_thornton]

Also, the Urge cover I've seen looks like this:

Is this a UK issue?

Never had that one but all the "Jazz Life" Fontanas I have seen were manufactured by Philips in the Netherlands.

Post-Rolling-cover, I'd guess?

Both UK and Dutch had the Jazz Life cover. Röling design only appeared much later on the Japanese issues, assume it was like Back to the Tracks in this respect. Same with Blood (Bley).

[Chuck Nessa]

All of it? JCOA, NYAQ, none of that was initially self-produced? Was not aware of that.

Some of them may have been self-produced but Bates was the entry point. He is an important guy with much respect from me.

[jlhoots]

As of now, jazzmessengers.com lists 6 titles in this purportedly Japanese series on the "Cool Music" label, whereas HMV Japan still lists just 4.

I purchased all 6 from Jazz Messengers. No complaints.

[clifford_thornton]

Really wish that the Bill Dixon 2LP had come out, though apparently Bill canceled the project as the money wasn't right. They would have been recordings from Bill's tapes, including (IIRC) the concert from Four Days in December. Great band/s with Rashied Ali, Reggie Johnson, Robin Kenyatta, maybe Gary Porter on trombone (?)... I've heard bits and pieces of this stuff and it's heavy!

[colinmce]

Oof. Who owns that stuff? Would they ever release it?

[clifford_thornton]

I know some of it is in Bill's archives.

[JSngry]

Was Dixon going/trying to release it through Fontana?

[clifford_thornton]

In '66, yeah, Bates approached him to be part of the series and he wanted to release quintet/sextet material from '64-'65. It was either going to be a double LP or two separate volumes.

[JSngry]

That would have sealed the deal for that series, afaic. Best unified collective documentation of time/place HOF, for sure. Pretty damn close to that already.

[clifford_thornton]

Yup.