sgcim Posted March 2, 2014 Report Posted March 2, 2014 Before the Internest, I usually kept my little crackpot theories to myself, and the world was probably a better place for it.. . But now we are all subject to whatever stupid thoughts run through everyone else's mind, and that can't be a good thing... Anyway, I was talking to a sax player I know a while ago, and I told him I didn't like Trane's "OM' LP. He said they all took acid before they recorded it, and when Trane listened to it, he didn't like it, and didn't want them to release it, but they released it anyway. Then I heard Larry Young's jam with Jimi Hendrix, and I thought,"Hmm...that's definitely not typical LY,.." So I did a little research (IOW, I did a google search), and I found out that LY was trippin' himself around then... Then I was listening to a Roland Kirk CD, and noticed he started doing some odd music in the mid to late 60s, like "Jammin' With Wolves", and other things like that, and then I read his bio, and sure enow, Rahsaan be trippin' his brain out , too. i don't think I need to point out the pattern that seemed to be emerging, so what say you? Can the term 'acid jazz' be used another way? Quote
JSngry Posted March 2, 2014 Report Posted March 2, 2014 LSD? You mean the Mormons? I think they're called LDS. LSD is a drug. Quote
ArtSalt Posted March 2, 2014 Report Posted March 2, 2014 Drugs are certainly going to influence the music, how could it not? The evidence is overwhelming from booze to cocaine and particularly in modern jazz, heroin as we all know. The canon of LSD inspired music, is less than satisfying, particularly in jazz and also rock IMCO. The case for some other drugs is stronger, but even here, when those of less technical and creative ability have attempted to follow the same path and use drugs as the means to be possessed by the muse of genius - they've inevitably hit dead-ends. If we are going to say that there is a clear "pattern" and style to LSD inspired music, then I suppose we could do the same with other drugs, say divide Bill Evans music into periods of heroin use, clean and then that of his final booze and cocaine period. Acid Jazz is of course, the record label and very good it was too, for a time in the 80s and early 90s. I think they've earned the title of Acid Jazz, we don't need to transfer it to the LSD heads. Quote
JSngry Posted March 2, 2014 Report Posted March 2, 2014 How do we know who was tripping, and when? It's possible that Trane was tripping on Interstellar Space, same as he was on Om, the whole "that was the only time" thing can just as likely be PR as truth, and that we have one masterpiece and one novelty, which proves nothing except that some days (and some trips) are better than others? So what do we know? That people were dropping acid in the 1960s? That a LOT of people were dropping acid in the 60s? That genius always goes its own way? That some people were crazy anyway? That LSD has no fixed set of responses? What do we know here, and what conclusions are we trying to draw in spite of it? Tell you what, take Side One of East Broadway Rundown, play it loud and freak dance all the way through it. There's some psychedelic jazz right there, but afaik, no LSD was involved. Quote
paul secor Posted March 2, 2014 Report Posted March 2, 2014 Doesn't matter to me ( I have no way of knowing - and I'm not interested in hearsay) if musicians were taking LSD or any other drug when they recorded. All that matters is if the music speaks to me. Quote
Scott Dolan Posted March 2, 2014 Report Posted March 2, 2014 Very succinct, Paul. And I agree with your summation 100%. As soon as I started reading the first post, those were the thoughts that immediately came to mind. Quote
erwbol Posted March 2, 2014 Report Posted March 2, 2014 While I've known about the story of Coltrane being high on the Om session from the start, the possibility that he might have been high during the recording of Interstellar Space has never even occurred to me. In the end, like Paul and Scott, I too don't give a rat's ass. Quote
sgcim Posted March 2, 2014 Author Report Posted March 2, 2014 This thread is not going as I wanted it to go. I wanted secret cabals of LSD using jazzers to be exposed; maybe even Ornette's secret acid dealer to come forward and make startling revelations . I guess it's back to the free jazz movement of the 60s being spearheaded by aliens theory... Quote
paul secor Posted March 2, 2014 Report Posted March 2, 2014 This thread is not going as I wanted it to go. I wanted secret cabals of LSD using jazzers to be exposed; maybe even Ornette's secret acid dealer to come forward and make startling revelations . I guess it's back to the free jazz movement of the 60s being spearheaded by aliens theory... Ornette didn't need acid. Ornette was Ornette before acid was around. The rest of the world needed something to get to where he already was. Quote
Scott Dolan Posted March 2, 2014 Report Posted March 2, 2014 This thread is not going as I wanted it to go. I wanted secret cabals of LSD using jazzers to be exposed; maybe even Ornette's secret acid dealer to come forward and make startling revelations . I guess it's back to the free jazz movement of the 60s being spearheaded by aliens theory... Ornette didn't need acid. Ornette was Ornette before acid was around. The rest of the world needed something to get to where he already was. I think they were driven to taken acid after listening to Eric Dolphy. Quote
A Lark Ascending Posted March 2, 2014 Report Posted March 2, 2014 Wonder what impact Watney's Red Barrel had on the Jazz Couriers? Quote
Teasing the Korean Posted March 2, 2014 Report Posted March 2, 2014 (edited) This great Capitol LP starts out with purports to be musicians playing on acid. This album is an absolute gem. Edited March 2, 2014 by Teasing the Korean Quote
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