Mingus Workshops 1964-65

[ejp626]

This is a no-brainer for me. Mingus is in my top favorite 5 jazz artists. I may have a small bit of this already, and probably a bootleg of a different concert from one of the European tours. The timing (and shelf space) may be a bit of an issue, but I'll definitely order it. Am also glad that the lobbying worked.

[DMP]

Very much looking forward to this - just this past week I've picked up some of the remaining titles I've missed (including that "... And Friends In Concert" - the one with Gene Ammons - like to here some opinions on THAT! -and an earlier Savoy session), so this is very timely for me. But... as has been brought up above, not sure what the criteria for this set is, there are a lot of "Jazz Workshop" performances from that period not included - that's fine, but wonder how the music here was chosen? (I just picked up the "Right Now" CD, recorded at the same time - wouldn't something like that fit in?) (And whatever happened to Jane Getz?)

[RiRiIII]

Which makes the Mosaic statement "only one was released on an authorized cd" not exactly right. . . . And that also infers that the Monterey cd from Japan was not legitimate.

I don't care. I'm glad the set is coming out!

One of my first ever CD purchases was the "Mingus at Monterey" CD (Prestige/Carrere 98.480, AAD) issued by Prestige/Carrere in France; totally legitimate I assume.

This Mosaic release looks awesome!

Edited July 8, 2012 by Alexandros

[ValerieB]

Which makes the Mosaic statement "only one was released on an authorized cd" not exactly right. . . . And that also infers that the Monterey cd from Japan was not legitimate.

I don't care. I'm glad the set is coming out!

One of my first ever CD purchases was the "Mingus at Monterey" CD (Prestige/Carrere 98.480, AAD) issued by Prestige/Carrere in France; totally legitimate I assume.

This Mosaic release looks awesome!

i purchased the Mingus at Monterey LP from Mingus!!!! and it's signed as well. a treasure.

[king ubu]

And I still remember how excited I was when I bought it on vinyl... about 13 or 14 years ago, I think!

It was like christmas to me, finding it! Might well have been my first original vinyl.

[paul secor]

I remember asking my folks to order it for me as a Christmas present. Still have it - with Charles Mingus' signature.

[Chuck Nessa]

I ordered it from Mingus but he didn't sign mine. A friend at school ordered it after seeing mine and received the 2 lps in paper sleeves without a jacket, but Mingus signed one of the paper sleeves.

[Pete C]

My Favorite Quintet is OK, but a major anticlimax after Town Hall since it's a much less adventurous group, and Hillyer isn't a particularly compelling player, IMO (actually, that's my kind and gentle version). I'm most interested in the extra tracks from Town Hall.

[medjuck]

Which makes the Mosaic statement "only one was released on an authorized cd" not exactly right. . . . And that also infers that the Monterey cd from Japan was not legitimate.

I don't care. I'm glad the set is coming out!

One of my first ever CD purchases was the "Mingus at Monterey" CD (Prestige/Carrere 98.480, AAD) issued by Prestige/Carrere in France; totally legitimate I assume.

This Mosaic release looks awesome!

I have a Japanese Fantasy cd of it. Same type face but different view of Monterey Bay on the cover! (At least I presume that it's Monterey Bay.)

[Chuck Nessa]

The Japanese edition used the original lp artwork. The predominantly blue cover is from the Fantasy reissue.

[golfcrazy1984]

I put in a pre-order. Really looking forward to hearing what Malcolm Addey does with this music

I may be out of the loop, but I didn't know this release was scheduled at Mosaic.

Kinda seemed like it came out of the blue....not that I'm complaining.

[jazzbo]

It did come out of the blue in comparison to other Mosaic sets which have been announced earlier on in the process. Earlier in the year Sue Mingus had been querying fans about how to release some new material, whether as downloads, a small or a large box set. Most respondents wanted the most material as possible, on disc, and several of us suggested a Mosaic set. Now months later. . . here's a Mosaic set. I would be very surprised if there were not a connection! What I think happened: Michael Cuscuna got together with Sue and began preparing a box set, for Mosaic or through another channel, and it turns out Mosaic won the opportunity.

Edited July 9, 2012 by jazzbo

[JSngry]

The Japanese edition used the original lp artwork. The predominantly blue cover is from the Fantasy reissue.

My copy has the Fantasy cover, but the LPs have Charles Mingus Presents labels. And nobody signed anything.

How's that for nobody's child?

[ValerieB]

apparently, Columbia is coming out with a 10-cd box set on Mingus in the near future!

[jazzbo]

Yes, due out (only via Pop Market at least for a while) August 28. Nothing that hasn't been on cd before.

http://www.popmarket.com/charles-mingus-the-complete-columbia-rca-albums-collection/details/26894981

[Pete C]

"Mingus referred to Tijuana Moods and Let My Children Hear Music as the best records he ever made."

And he was wrong both times!

Just 2 more mergers and we'll get the complete Mingus on Atlantic, RCA, Columbia, Impulse, United Artists & Mercury in a single box set.

Valerie, you forgot to chide me for dissing Lonnie Hillyer.

Edited July 9, 2012 by Pete C

[jazzbo]

I don't know Pete, a case could be made that Mingus was right! It's all personal opinion, and if Mingus felt these were the best he made, well for him they were. They're damned fine records! I'd throw East Coasting in there as one of his best commercial recordings.

[king ubu]

Well, 1957 "Tijuana Moods" might have been his best record, but when it finally came out, it had been overtaken by several others. I bet they got that Mingus quote from the time they decided that - oooooh, this is waaaaaay too advanced for the moronic backward-headed auience, let's keep it in the cupboard for five years first, m'kay?

[clifford_thornton]

The Japanese edition used the original lp artwork. The predominantly blue cover is from the Fantasy reissue.

My copy has the Fantasy cover, but the LPs have Charles Mingus Presents labels. And nobody signed anything.

How's that for nobody's child?

Mine's an America Records pressing from France, with the blue cover. Not particularly exciting pressing-wise, and I'll be sure to buy the Mosaic as well.

[Chuck Nessa]

Lots of personal agendas when musicians mention their favorites.

I remember one of our members recommending only recordings where he got royalties.

Edited July 9, 2012 by Chuck Nessa

[RDK]

It's rare that an artist of any sort doesn't say that whatever new piece s/he's currently promoting isn't his/her "best."

Seriously, when has anyone ever said, "Yeah, this new one's okay, but it's not as good as the one I did twenty years ago when I was in my prime."

[jlhoots]

I don't know what I have, what I've heard & what I don't have anymore.

Life should be simpler.

[JSngry]

I have most all of it, and will buy this packaging as my patriotic duty...but what I really want is a Mosaic-ish complete collection of the 1964 European tour.

That would be beating the bootleggers!

[ValerieB]

"Mingus referred to Tijuana Moods and Let My Children Hear Music as the best records he ever made."

And he was wrong both times!

Just 2 more mergers and we'll get the complete Mingus on Atlantic, RCA, Columbia, Impulse, United Artists & Mercury in a single box set.

Valerie, you forgot to chide me for dissing Lonnie Hillyer.

i have a very vague recollection of this. i think, whatever you said, probably many folks would agree with you.

Edited July 10, 2012 by ValerieB

[CraigP]

I don't know what I have, what I've heard & what I don't have anymore.

Life should be simpler.

I hear you brother!