Miles Davis: The Bootleg Series Vol. 3

[Steve Reynolds]

Hemingway's Toombow is on a par with anything

But again as a drummer he is nothing special

Well unless you've actually seen or heard him!!

or maybe Hemingway is just another run of the mill drummer and composer on the level of maybe Charli Persip or someone like that......

standing on a whale fishing for minnows......

[king ubu]

Okay, what next? Han Bennink don't schwing?

Gerry Hemingway is an amazing musician and great drummer, of course ... and yeah, I guess I can subscribe Chuck's argument on Hamid Drake - seen him live a couple of times, lotsa good vibes and all, but ultimately he's doing his schtick in a very competent and fun way, and if the mood is right, it can indeed bring you places (he's really a reggae drummer, I guess ... not a genuine observation of mine btw, but a thought that had crossed my mind before I heard a much more competent Chicago mouth utter it).

But I wonder, where would Jack DeJohnette fit in? And Chick when he swapped places with Jack D? And is there a ghost track with Baby Dodds, Persip, Hemingway and Drake battling it out on the fourth disc of this upcoming set? And is there audio commentary by Moms to be added at will?

[skeith]

Back in the day I lived to derail threads......

Hope I can return the favor!!!!

[skeith]

I've always wondered if those who gripe about multiple subject changes in a thread berate people in person whenever they change the subject.

I am sure that you, like most people, are just thrilled when you are talking to someone in person who interrupts you and abruptly changes the subject. I am sure that you immediately accept that what you were going on about was really not important and that a subject change is just what is called for.

[Scott Dolan]

I've always wondered if those who gripe about multiple subject changes in a thread berate people in person whenever they change the subject.

I am sure that you, like most people, are just thrilled when you are talking to someone in person who interrupts you and abruptly changes the subject. I am sure that you immediately accept that what you were going on about was really not important and that a subject change is just what is called for.

Not an apt analogy, sorry.

Steve made a general point, and almost everyone participating in the thread responded, and the conversation continued on naturally.

Even the person who started this thread said he had no problem with it. You're the only one complaining.

[skeith]

I've always wondered if those who gripe about multiple subject changes in a thread berate people in person whenever they change the subject.

I am sure that you, like most people, are just thrilled when you are talking to someone in person who interrupts you and abruptly changes the subject. I am sure that you immediately accept that what you were going on about was really not important and that a subject change is just what is called for.

Not an apt analogy, sorry.

Steve made a general point, and almost everyone participating in the thread responded, and the conversation continued on naturally.

Even the person who started this thread said he had no problem with it. You're the only one complaining.

It is not an analogy.

I was responding to your statement that you wonder if those who complain about thread drift here on the Board object to people changing the subject when having conversations in person - the implication being that you have no objections. I was responding to that particular statement and suggesting that you are not being honest if you say you welcome subject changes in discussions.

I am not the only one complaining here....at least erwbol complained and others too...but you like to leave things out.

But I am tired of this so let's just drop it, ok?

[Scott Dolan]

I didn't disparage you in any way, but now you call me dishonest?

And I'll have to take your word on erwbol since I cannot see his posts.

[skeith]

I didn't disparage you in any way, but now you call me dishonest?

And I'll have to take your word on erwbol since I cannot see his posts.

I didn't call you dishonest ... read my post... I said that if you are suggesting that you don't mind people changing the subject on you when you are talking in person to people .... then I find that statement to be dishonest.... as I said I don't believe anyone likes that. You were the one who made the analogy between live conversation and the discussion in threads here and I make a comment on that and then you tell me I am not using an apt analogy.... It's YOUR analogy dude ....Sheesh

I wonder why you can't read erwbol's posts?

Can't we just talk about Bootleg Vol. 3?

[erwbol]

I didn't disparage you in any way, but now you call me dishonest?

And I'll have to take your word on erwbol since I cannot see his posts.

I didn't call you dishonest ... read my post... I said that if you are suggesting that you don't mind people changing the subject on you when you are talking in person to people .... then I find that statement to be dishonest.... as I said I don't believe anyone likes that. You were the one who made the analogy between live conversation and the discussion in threads here and I make a comment on that and then you tell me I am not using an apt analogy.... It's YOUR analogy dude ....Sheesh

I wonder why you can't read erwbol's posts?

Can't we just talk about Bootleg Vol. 3?

For the same reason I can't read his since his return from absence. The guy plainly likes to divert any topic he participates in to his own current preoccupations. He also likes to pick fights with people he knows he fundamentally disagrees with anyway. (For example with Lon over cables, hi-fi equipment etc.) I'm not saying Scott is a troll, but I do not care to read most of what he posts. I'm sure some people don't care about my posts either. That's fine with me.

Edited February 11, 2014 by erwbol

[skeith]

I didn't disparage you in any way, but now you call me dishonest?

And I'll have to take your word on erwbol since I cannot see his posts.

I didn't call you dishonest ... read my post... I said that if you are suggesting that you don't mind people changing the subject on you when you are talking in person to people .... then I find that statement to be dishonest.... as I said I don't believe anyone likes that. You were the one who made the analogy between live conversation and the discussion in threads here and I make a comment on that and then you tell me I am not using an apt analogy.... It's YOUR analogy dude ....Sheesh

I wonder why you can't read erwbol's posts?

Can't we just talk about Bootleg Vol. 3?

For the same reason I can't read his since his return from absence. The guy plainly likes to divert any topic he participates in to his own current preoccupations. He also likes to pick fights with people he knows he fundamentally disagrees with anyway. (For example with Lon over cables, hi-fi equipment etc.) I'm not saying Scott is a troll, but I do not care to read most of what he posts. I'm sure some people don't care about my posts either. That's fine with me.

that's what I suspected.... thanks erwbol for clearing it up.

[jlhoots]

I read both of your posts.

It's the Nessa described "grenade thrower" that I have problems with.

[Scott Dolan]

Right.

Onward and upward.

[David Ayers]

I read both of your posts.

It's the Nessa described "grenade thrower" that I have problems with.

I don't see the problem with robust aesthetic discussion. In fact I think it is a good idea.I am more interested in things that move me along than in things that confirm my 'taste', which is just a kind of weird comfort zone that - in the end - I am not comfortable to be in.

And 'Moms' is not speaking from nothing - far from it.

[Scott Dolan]

Regardless, she presents it in a pretty hostile way.

"That guy that most everyone enjoys listening to sucks, these other guys are far better".

Nobody stated Hamid was some kind of god walking amongst mortals, and nobody had to denigrate other Jazz musicians to make the point that they found his playing enjoyable.

She might not be speaking from nothing, but she has a pretty immature and insecure way of delivering the message.

[jlhoots]

Regardless, she presents it in a pretty hostile way.

"That guy that most everyone enjoys listening to sucks, these other guys are far better".

Nobody stated Hamid was some kind of god walking amongst mortals, and nobody had to denigrate other Jazz musicians to make the point that they found his playing enjoyable.

She might not be speaking from nothing, but she has a pretty immature and insecure way of delivering the message.

I believe she is a he.

At any rate an agent provocateur for sure. "I'm the smartest guy in the room & the rest of you are losers with bad taste."

That seems to often be the message.

I don't care how much he knows.

[David Ayers]

'Moms' is a proven musical talent of long standing.

[Scott Dolan]

So? That excuses his/her behavior?

[paul secor]

I don't take all what Moms says as gospel, but I do think about what he has to say.

[AllenLowe]

moms says all the stuff that I can't say any more since I found peace with the Swami.

[Scott Dolan]

Did you do your 256K vs. cd comparo yet?

[AllenLowe]

oh, almost forget - I playeds a Mingus cut, allegro-non troppo (or something like that) from both the CD and the I tunes download; and they were pretty damn close; I really could not give a preference; which made me very happy.

[David Ayers]

So? That excuses his/her behavior?

It is Ezra Pound-style rhetoric. Just a style. There is no 'behavior' against anyone on the board.

[Scott Dolan]

oh, almost forget - I playeds a Mingus cut, allegro-non troppo (or something like that) from both the CD and the I tunes download; and they were pretty damn close; I really could not give a preference; which made me very happy.

Excellent!

[David Ayers]

oh, almost forget - I playeds a Mingus cut, allegro-non troppo (or something like that) from both the CD and the I tunes download; and they were pretty damn close; I really could not give a preference; which made me very happy.

Excellent!

I've never understood why CD is the benchmark, though. CD and CD-quality files are described as 'lossless' but - they are lossily mixed down from 24 bit recordings and remasterings.

[AllenLowe]

well, since Columbia won't let me go in and listen to the original tapes.....

but seriously, in my own work I find that when 24 bit is dithered correctly to 16 bit the loss is minimal.